Originally Posted by Montmorency:
Ok Ok
I could make a whole topic on how people keep making this mistake...
Nevermind.
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Have you previously voiced the opinion that in matters of animal cruelty all methods of killing for food are cruel, or equally cruel? IIRC in a topic on Kosher killing you found only some methods to be unacceptable and not the practice in principle. Otherwise, abbatoirs have little relevance to this topic.
Actually, I think I have voiced the opinion that all killing is horrible - and everything suffers when it dies. That doesn't mean we shouldn't kill animals and eat them. If I recall the point I made about certain forms of slaughter was that they caused needless suffering.
My contention here is that if you need to kill foxes then I don't believe the hunt is worse for the fox that being dug out and either gassed, shot or having their head stoved in.
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As for hunting with dogs, I wonder what those people say on other hunting with dogs, such as large game. For the anti-fox-hunters, is it more to do with the one practice or with dogs' violent instrumentality in general (as STFS apparently represents)? It is admittedly likely to be related - in the United States, deer-hunting with dogs is almost universally outlawed and has been for around a century.
It does seem to vary, a lot of people (including Lefties I know personally) will say "It's a bunch of post people getting on horses in fancy red coats and tearing round the countryside".
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