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    Quote Originally Posted by Montmorency View Post
    Most of the data is reported by participating governments.
    ...Did you not read what I said? They score based on a commentary's tone. There is no data, just the opinion of people.

    I don't think you understand what you are referring to. As I said, convention members are member-states (through their representatives). Agencies and committees of the UN that perform investigative, statistical, or advocacy work are neither member states nor their representatives - they are mostly academic and bureaucratic staff. The link you post about the Committee on the Rights of the Child in fact says as much, suggesting you did not read it.
    Are you being intentionally naiive? They are selected by nations and voted in by nations, they are representatives whether the UN admits it or not and the UN's ability to avoid politically based and biased appointments is non existant.

    They are used as political tools by nations to hit eachother with. Using their opinions for data is like using tabloids for news.

    The definitions are provided for in the Convention on the Rights of the Child. The group providing the rankings explicitly describes the Convention as the basis for the rankings. That's the whole point.
    http://www.ohchr.org/EN/Professional...Pages/CRC.aspx
    Article 3

    1. In all actions concerning children, whether undertaken by public or private social welfare institutions, courts of law, administrative authorities or legislative bodies, the best interests of the child shall be a primary consideration.

    2. States Parties undertake to ensure the child such protection and care as is necessary for his or her well-being, taking into account the rights and duties of his or her parents, legal guardians, or other individuals legally responsible for him or her, and, to this end, shall take all appropriate legislative and administrative measures.

    3. States Parties shall ensure that the institutions, services and facilities responsible for the care or protection of children shall conform with the standards established by competent authorities, particularly in the areas of safety, health, in the number and suitability of their staff, as well as competent supervision.
    Read the entire thing if you want to, there is no fixed definition of "best interests of child".

    Did you read my post explaining just this? From the report:

    There were some new reporting standards in 2016 and the countries that did or could not meet them partly or fully for that year took a serious hit in the 5th domain of Enabling Environment.
    Did you not read my post explaining this?

    http://www.kidsrightsindex.org/Porta...-11-124125-077 page 16

    United Kingdom 2008:

    Non-discrimination - 2
    Best interests of the child - 1
    Respect for the views of the child -2
    Enabling legislation -2
    Best available budget -2
    Collection and analysis of disaggregated data -N/A
    State-civil society cooperation for child rights -3

    United Kingdom 2016

    Non-discrimination - 1
    Best interests of the child - 1
    Respect for the views of the child -1
    Enabling legislation -1
    Best available budget -1
    Collection and analysis of disaggregated data - 1
    State-civil society cooperation for child rights - N/A

    This idea that you have that we took that great a hit for a N/A is utter crap; We were dropped to minimum in all catagories recorded, as was New Zealand, and we got a 0.01, Ireland had some better stats but got the same N/A yet they still got rated 0.4.

    It's really frustrating that your posts are consistently so ill-considered.
    Your lack of self awareness and your eagerness to project your own faults on others is an embarrassment.
    Last edited by Greyblades; 05-20-2017 at 03:07.
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