UK General Election 2017

[Pannonian]

Too much dose of raw truth?

What is he? What is he an expert on? Why should I listen to what he's saying?

[Beskar]

What is he? What is he an expert on? Why should I listen to what he's saying?

He is a comedian who examines current affairs and puts it through a lens outraged reporter. "telling it as it is". Not only are the points publicised but overshadowed, he delivers them in a raw way which speaks to straight to people without the pomp and fluff. If you are not wanting to listen to anything he says, might as well cover your eyes and ears and just avoid 99.9% of all places which discusses politics.

[Pannonian]

He is a comedian who examines current affairs and puts it through a lens outraged reporter. "telling it as it is". Not only are the points publicised but overshadowed, he delivers them in a raw way which speaks to straight to people without the pomp and fluff. If you are not wanting to listen to anything he says, might as well cover your eyes and ears and just avoid 99.9% of all places which discusses politics.

A comedian "telling it as it is" through a character. How is he any better than his right wing equivalent who continually rails against PC.

Back in the day, there was Rory Bremner, who was absolutely superb at looking at politics through different personas. I didn't rely on him to form my politics either. If you want to learn about politics via comedy, try Yes (Prime) Minister, which was sourced via high ups in political circles.

[Beskar]

Back in the day, there was Rory Bremner, who was absolutely superb at looking at politics through different personas. I didn't rely on him to form my politics either. If you want to learn about politics via comedy, try Yes (Prime) Minister, which was sourced via high ups in political circles.

I own the boxset, and despite your claim, I don't rely on him to form my opinions, they are just more typically aligned with my already existing opinion. If you look back in this thread, I already made comments to which he later said in the video and I doubt he uses me as source material.

[Pannonian]

I own the boxset, and despite your claim, I don't rely on him to form my opinions, they are just more typically aligned with my already existing opinion. If you look back in this thread, I already made comments to which he later said in the video and I doubt he uses me as source material.

So you like watching him because he confirms your biases. Echo in other words. Have you ever learned anything from watching him, that you didn't already know?

[Beskar]

So you like watching him because he confirms your biases. Echo in other words. Have you ever learned anything from watching him, that you didn't already know?

I watch and listen to a lot of things, not all I agree with.

As for political sitcoms, ever watched The Newsstateman? I used to be a big fan when I was younger, even got to watch Rik Mayall perform live. Though in that version, he spoofed New Labour, you would have loved that.

[Pannonian]

I watch and listen to a lot of things, not all I agree with.

As for political sitcoms, ever watched The Newsstateman? I used to be a big fan when I was younger, even got to watch Rik Mayall perform live. Though in that version, he spoofed New Labour, you would have loved that.

I saw the original, just as I saw the original Red Dwarf. And like the revived Red Dwarf, I didn't watch the new New Statesman. I caught Blackadder Back & Forth, but that only confirmed by view that revived comedies are nowhere near as good as the originals. Brass Eye wasn't as good as The Day Today either.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Older people can become very selfish, begin to think up more and more entitlements and things the rest of society owes them etc.
So quite likely, yes. Trying to sink the ship may go a bit far, but they may want to make the best of the years they have left and not even make the connection to the future of their children. Don't fall for the romanticized image of the wise old Hollywood grandpa. There may be some of them around, but that ain't make them a majority.

This can be the case with the old and senile - it is not the case with anyone of that age group I have met who retains their faculties. This includes, in addition to many family friends, my parents and by aunts and uncles. My family is quite intellectual and we discuss politics frequently so I can tell your their opinions with some confidence.

With regard to Corbyn specifically, I can tell you my elders see hims as anything from a dangerous revolutionary making common cause with the IRA to "useful idiot" terrorists have used to grant themselves legitimacy.

My personnal experience of this age group is that they become more inflexible and sometimes cynical as they age, but they do not become selfish or cruel. If your experience of your own family is different then I apologise.

He is a comedian who examines current affairs and puts it through a lens outraged reporter. "telling it as it is". Not only are the points publicised but overshadowed, he delivers them in a raw way which speaks to straight to people without the pomp and fluff. If you are not wanting to listen to anything he says, might as well cover your eyes and ears and just avoid 99.9% of all places which discusses politics.

He's putting forth a caricature, one that (among other things) blames the sitting government for everything when, as noted, this is a problem in the "Liberal" parties that control th devolved administrations too - and the problem is apathy (and lack of funds).

[Montmorency]

He's putting forth a caricature, one that (among other things) blames the sitting government for everything when, as noted, this is a problem in the "Liberal" parties that control th devolved administrations too - and the problem is apathy (and lack of funds).

Then again, Kensington has been a Conservative/Lib-Dem district for the past generation.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Then again, Kensington has been a Conservative/Lib-Dem district for the past generation.

Cladding buildings was a Labour policy, designed to reduce heating bills for the poor and elderly.

[Montmorency]

Cladding buildings was a Labour policy, designed to reduce heating bills for the poor and elderly.

The potential issue here seems to be the specific form of cladding used, since AFAIK most if not all buildings use cladding of some sort.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

The potential issue here seems to be the specific form of cladding used, since AFAIK most if not all buildings use cladding of some sort.

In the UK most buildings use cavity insulation. Cladding is used to retrofit older buildings, it was a big thing under Blair and Brown especially.

[Pannonian]

This can be the case with the old and senile - it is not the case with anyone of that age group I have met who retains their faculties. This includes, in addition to many family friends, my parents and by aunts and uncles. My family is quite intellectual and we discuss politics frequently so I can tell your their opinions with some confidence.

With regard to Corbyn specifically, I can tell you my elders see hims as anything from a dangerous revolutionary making common cause with the IRA to "useful idiot" terrorists have used to grant themselves legitimacy.

My personnal experience of this age group is that they become more inflexible and sometimes cynical as they age, but they do not become selfish or cruel. If your experience of your own family is different then I apologise.

He's putting forth a caricature, one that (among other things) blames the sitting government for everything when, as noted, this is a problem in the "Liberal" parties that control th devolved administrations too - and the problem is apathy (and lack of funds).

It's the modus operandi of someone who's never had to make things work, but is only interested in pointing out that things don't work. That's why I hate idiots who parrot the HIGNFY method of dismissing someone or something with a one liner, often in the form "Is this the same xxx who did xxx once upon a time?" If someone who properly knows the subject and what these telltale signs mean points it out, then I'll bow to their judgement. But some wannabe comedian? I don't think so.