UK General Election 2017

[Pannonian]

If you put it like that, you can make anything sound bad. Let me do the same.

Pannanion likes to point to opinions of two-bit politico's who comment that Corbyn smells funny and must be stopped at any cost, because they dislike having a bit of democratic socialism in the democratic socialist party, calling it unelectable and fails to understand why the membership wants him as its leader. He likes to call anything giving anti-Corbyn opinion as 'primary sources' and 'experts', but when a political comedian calls out on a current government policy of putting a veneer over poverty with these flammable cladding, he calls it dumb and dismisses it even though it is a current national scandal which he described plainly and bluntly because his copy of the Daily Mail had a new article where they drew Corbyn supporters as the IRA. So whilst Orwell in Animal Farm warns of sheep bleating, Pannanion prefers like them to defer to toe the line the pigs give and not think for himself.

I am sure you feel the above might come across as an unfair representation, so don't do it yourself.

I pointed towards a documentary that's practically universally highly regarded by people who have made a career of politics or studied politics. The documentary featured people talking to the camera and explaining themselves and their actions. Here are some of the talking heads from that documentary.

Jim Callaghan (Labour leader 1976-1980, PM 1976-79)
Michael Foot (Labour leader 1980-1983)
Neil Kinnock (Labour leader 1983-1992)
Tony Blair (Labour leader 1994-2007, PM 1997-2007)
Gordon Brown (Labour leader 2007-2010, PM 2007-2010)
Jeremy Corbyn (Labour leader 2015-)

Going beyond leaders of the Labour party, here are some of the other talking heads (that I can remember).

Roy Hattersley
Denis Healey
Tony Benn
Gerald Kaufman

Note the difference in calibre between the above and Jonathan Pie, whom you regard as some kind of authority on politics. Actually, I'll have another skim through the first episode and list a few more names.

Peter Shore
Michael Meacher
Joe Ashton
Tony Banks
Roy Jenkins
Shirley Williams
David Owen
Chris Mullin
Jack Straw
Mike Thomas

If you don't recognise any of the names, add MP as a suffix.

And in comparison,

If you put it like that, you can make anything sound bad. Let me do the same.

Pannanion likes to point to opinions of two-bit politico's who comment that Corbyn smells funny and must be stopped at any cost, because they dislike having a bit of democratic socialism in the democratic socialist party, calling it unelectable and fails to understand why the membership wants him as its leader. He likes to call anything giving anti-Corbyn opinion as 'primary sources' and 'experts', but when a political comedian calls out on a current government policy of putting a veneer over poverty with these flammable cladding, he calls it dumb and dismisses it even though it is a current national scandal which he described plainly and bluntly because his copy of the Daily Mail had a new article where they drew Corbyn supporters as the IRA. So whilst Orwell in Animal Farm warns of sheep bleating, Pannanion prefers like them to defer to toe the line the pigs give and not think for himself.

I am sure you feel the above might come across as an unfair representation, so don't do it yourself.

I'm sure Paul Merton is topical too. I don't regard him as an authority on politics and government though.

[Beskar]

I will reply properly when I can. But I do have a question, I remember your documentary but I don't remember anyone dismissing it or voicing anything against it?

I do remember a incident where you referenced an MP who talked about Corbyn thugs barging into offices and intimidating people. This incident has also been investigated since by the Speaker of the House and it was discovered that the person in question was talking a huge pile of cow platter as they were just trying to use the media to smear Corbyn and those who work for him. I remember Idaho calling the source out on that one and linked to a reporters article on it and you told him his source was bad as she is an MP and a 'primary source' whilst he just linked to a reporter.

On work break and on phone, but Google should be able to provide the names and details of the incident for review.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7156991.html

[Beskar]

Where have you Theresa May supporters seemingly disappeared to? I thought you would be over the moon to find out that Theresa May actually found a money tree and is spending over £billion for the Government to become "Strong and Stable".

£100millin per vote, what a steal!

[Idaho]

Tories like winners. They liked may when they thought she would win. Now they pretend they never liked her.

Meanwhile the latest social attitudes survey results:

61% of people think it is wrong for benefit claimants to use legal loopholes to increase their payments,compared with 48% who think it is wrong to use legal loopholes to pay less tax.
The view that it was acceptable to use legal loopholes to pay less tax was most strongly felt among people who were better off.

Tories... Loss aversion and self interest.

Of course offering tax breaks to wealthy people and encouraging old white people to vote with scare stories of waves of immigration is democracy. Whereas offering improvements in pay and public services and encouraging young people and ethnic minority groups to vote is cynical bribery and undemocratic.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Tories like winners. They liked may when they thought she would win. Now they pretend they never liked her.

Corbyn awfully popular on the Opposition benches now, isn't he? People clambering over themselves to apologise and ask for a seat on his Front Bench.

Political parties need to win elections - they will always support a leader they think will win.

[Idaho]

Corbyn awfully popular on the Opposition benches now, isn't he? People clambering over themselves to apologise and ask for a seat on his Front Bench.

Political parties need to win elections - they will always support a leader they think will win.

If I was Corbyn, I would enact an old skool purge of the blairites. Well at least get a few of them deselected and have the rest kiss the sword.

[Pannonian]

If I was Corbyn, I would enact an old skool purge of the blairites. Well at least get a few of them deselected and have the rest kiss the sword.

Have you watched The Wilderness Years yet? Corbyn is in it.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Where have you Theresa May supporters seemingly disappeared to? I thought you would be over the moon to find out that Theresa May actually found a money tree and is spending over £billion for the Government to become "Strong and Stable".

£100millin per vote, what a steal!

Someone observed the other day that, given that there are about 10 Conservative MP's in Devon-and-Cornwall we could also hold the government to ransom as this area is always under-funded.

It should also be pointed out that Theresa May was never popular, she was however seen as competent.

Her miss-handling of the election campaign destroyed any real belief in her competency.

[Beskar]

Someone observed the other day that, given that there are about 10 Conservative MP's in Devon-and-Cornwall we could also hold the government to ransom as this area is always under-funded..

Then do advise your MPs to do it and not to be taken for granted. Devon and Cornwall are within the Union too.

If I was being honest, Theresa May should have tried to reach out to the opposition, such as Labour, in attempt to craft compromises on policies rather trying to ramrod them through Parliament.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

If I was Corbyn, I would enact an old skool purge of the blairites. Well at least get a few of them deselected and have the rest kiss the sword.

Isn't that just a bit, well, Stalinist?

Then do advise your MPs to do it and not to be taken for granted. Devon and Cornwall are within the Union too.

If I was being honest, Theresa May should have tried to reach out to the opposition, such as Labour, in attempt to craft compromises on policies rather trying to ramrod them through Parliament.

Strangely enough, this was suggested by a Labour supporter.

The thought of such "Pork Barrel" politics in the UK horrifies me though.

And you're wrong, we're not part of the Union - we're part of England - and so is Cornwall whether they like it or not.

[Beskar]

And you're wrong, we're not part of the Union - we're part of England - and so is Cornwall whether they like it or not.

That is like me saying "We are posting on The Org" and you turn around saying "you're wrong, we're not part of The Org - we're part of the Backroom".