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Originally Posted by Fragony:
What would you do, the EU is nothing but a hindrance for your trade, with the bonus of being bossed by a plumb ex-stasi eastblock farmhorse and a serial-alcoholic who just can't help wet kissing people
I hope my comptent is sufficiantly obvious
As opposed to a bloke living in Dutchland telling the Brits it will all be worth it.What would you do, the EU is nothing but a hindrance for your trade, with the bonus of being bossed by a plumb ex-stasi eastblock farmhorse and a serial-alcoholic who just can't help wet kissing people
I hope my comptent is sufficiantly obvious
Originally Posted by Husar:
I scrolled down until I saw a different avatar, just saying.
Husar 4, Frags 5...I scrolled down until I saw a different avatar, just saying.
What was Gills point again?
Originally Posted by Montmorency:
PVC, this just doesn't contradict what I have said.
London or Cornwall are part of the Union in the same way that Northern Ireland or England are part of the Union - territoriality and physically - AND the latter are part of the Union in an additional way that the former are not, namely being legal entities within the Union, or "separate countries" as you say. The fact that separate countries are constituent of the whole in BOTH ways is precisely what allows an individual country's components to in turn "be a part of" that whole. That Cornwall is a part of the Union is wholly dependent on England being a part of the Union, but not vice versa.
It is possible for an entity to have more than one logical status at a time. Identity has nothing to do with it.
You lost the argument when you put "separate countries" in quotation marks. London and Cornwall are not part of the Union "in the same way" as Northern Ireland, that is entirely the point.PVC, this just doesn't contradict what I have said.
London or Cornwall are part of the Union in the same way that Northern Ireland or England are part of the Union - territoriality and physically - AND the latter are part of the Union in an additional way that the former are not, namely being legal entities within the Union, or "separate countries" as you say. The fact that separate countries are constituent of the whole in BOTH ways is precisely what allows an individual country's components to in turn "be a part of" that whole. That Cornwall is a part of the Union is wholly dependent on England being a part of the Union, but not vice versa.
It is possible for an entity to have more than one logical status at a time. Identity has nothing to do with it.
Indeed, the relationship between London and England and between Northern Ireland and England are very different.
Originally Posted by Idaho:
Wow. Some burning issues going down. Cornish secession. Lol
Heh, burning issues.Wow. Some burning issues going down. Cornish secession. Lol
Say, remember during the Olympics when one of the runners in the torch relay unfurled a Cornish flag and tried to carry it over the Tamar Bridge, then got taken out by a Policeman?
Classic Cornish.
Originally Posted by Beskar:
Except this has nothing to do with Identity in the slightest...
Though, in your hypothetical pub, I think people in the pub would be cheering when I agree with them that they should get extra money.
No, it's all about identity - identity is why none of the otherwise UK-Wide parties mark seats in Northern Ireland.Except this has nothing to do with Identity in the slightest...
Though, in your hypothetical pub, I think people in the pub would be cheering when I agree with them that they should get extra money.
As to suggesting we ape the DUP - given the number of ex-Servicemen here I'd imagine that'd go down like a sack of lead balloon.
Originally Posted by :
This is basically what I said.
No, because you made a direct and inappropriate comparison between a region of England and a separate country.This is basically what I said.
Originally Posted by :
This is not the case. It is Philippus getting super-pedantic storm-in-teacup grade over the idea where I agreed that his local area should get more investment, due to him discussing that it is historically under-invested. He has somehow managed to turn a comment where agreeing to extra money for his area into a quagmire where apparently agreeing that people should receive extra money would result in me getting beaten up by them for offending their identity in a local pub.
For our international friends, Storm-in-teacup = an idiom meaning a small event that has been exaggerated out of proportion
Do you realise that you're arguing about another region of the UK's political identity with someone who lives there and another Englishman, and the only person backing you up is an American?This is not the case. It is Philippus getting super-pedantic storm-in-teacup grade over the idea where I agreed that his local area should get more investment, due to him discussing that it is historically under-invested. He has somehow managed to turn a comment where agreeing to extra money for his area into a quagmire where apparently agreeing that people should receive extra money would result in me getting beaten up by them for offending their identity in a local pub.
For our international friends, Storm-in-teacup = an idiom meaning a small event that has been exaggerated out of proportion
Originally Posted by Philippus Flavius Homovallumus:
Do you realise that you're arguing about another region of the UK's political identity with someone who lives there and another Englishman, and the only person backing you up is an American?
Yet, I am not discussing identity at all and said that numerous times. So you can say and argue blue in the face because you lost the argument when you are only arguing with yourself. Montmorency is simply supporting me in the fact there isn't an argument there. I bow out from any participation in your straw man identity argument.Do you realise that you're arguing about another region of the UK's political identity with someone who lives there and another Englishman, and the only person backing you up is an American?
Originally Posted by Beskar:
Yet, I am not discussing identity at all and said that numerous times. So you can say and argue blue in the face because you lost the argument when you are only arguing with yourself. Montmorency is simply supporting me in the fact there isn't an argument there. I bow out from any participation in your straw man identity argument.
Or you could just apologise for speaking out of turn. That would require you to admit that your comments could offend, though.Yet, I am not discussing identity at all and said that numerous times. So you can say and argue blue in the face because you lost the argument when you are only arguing with yourself. Montmorency is simply supporting me in the fact there isn't an argument there. I bow out from any participation in your straw man identity argument.
Politics is largely about identity, as are concepts of nationality. You tried to draw an equivalence between politicians in a region of England, and politicians in Northern Ireland and suggest that their constituants had a comparable relationship to "the Union" which is itself a rather American way to refer to the UK.
Nobody talks about "The Union" here except in the context of secession - which is a pregnant topic in Northern Ireland but not South-West England, especially because we would be more likely to secede from England rather than the UK.
Fine, though, try to back out gracelessly.
So this is off topic but I figured a thread about the UK would be the best place in the BR for this.
I'm visiting London in the coming week, I would be down to meet Orgahs in the area who want to meet up for lunch or drinks and whatnot.
I'm visiting London in the coming week, I would be down to meet Orgahs in the area who want to meet up for lunch or drinks and whatnot.
Originally Posted by Philippus Flavius Homovallumus:
Or you could just apologise for speaking out of turn. That would require you to admit that your comments could offend, though.
I am one of the first people to apologise when I have wronged someone or admit to a mistake. An easy example was the other week when I misread Fragony's post, and he clarified his point, I retracted my statement and apologised for it. Another example where you pointed out I got EU and NATO the wrong-way status around for Finland.Or you could just apologise for speaking out of turn. That would require you to admit that your comments could offend, though.
However, on this subject your offence is self-inflicted. I have clarified and expanded my position on the matter which you chose to ignore and continued on your tirade attempting to find more things to be offended about. As such, I have no duty to apologise for this self-inflicted hurt as you have shown no willingness to engage with me nor my further clarification. If you even replied after my further clarification, with "Ah ha, I mistook what you meant by that Beskar, be careful with your wording", I would happily have said "No problem, I apologise, I should have been clearer". Instead of accepting a rational error, you continue doggedly on this topic drawing offence where none was given or intended.
As such, I apologise if my point wasn't clearer resulting in a manner which it was not being intended nor implied. If you continue to feel this is "graceless", that is your prerogative.
Originally Posted by Beskar:
Husar 4, Frags 5...
What was Gills point again?
I was actually supporting his point by saying I scrolled past your conversation until it seemed to be over when I saw Gilrandir's post.Husar 4, Frags 5...
What was Gills point again?
Originally Posted by Pannonian:
As opposed to a bloke living in Dutchland telling the Brits it will all be worth it.
Who really envies you lot. We can easily leave, slapping tarifs on us will only make food and industry in the EU more expensive. We are stuck with believers in the ideological part sadly, for nowAs opposed to a bloke living in Dutchland telling the Brits it will all be worth it.
peace, what a joke. With Ukraines now semi-membership and inevitable full membefshjp the EU ruins the deal that ended the cold war
Originally Posted by Beskar:
This reply denotes 1, Monty is 2, Sammy is 3...
This reply denotes 1, Monty is 2, Sammy is 3...
Originally Posted by Beskar:
Husar 4, Frags 5...
What was Gills point again?
Following the discussion and skimming posts to keep up my English are two different things. At least concerning me, can't speak for others you herded into the group of followers.Husar 4, Frags 5...
What was Gills point again?
Originally Posted by Hooahguy:
So this is off topic but I figured a thread about the UK would be the best place in the BR for this.
I'm visiting London in the coming week, I would be down to meet Orgahs in the area who want to meet up for lunch or drinks and whatnot.
I'm in London on Wednesday and Thursday. Although I'll be working both days, doing a work related sports event on Wednesday and flying out early afternoon Thursday... So this is off topic but I figured a thread about the UK would be the best place in the BR for this.
I'm visiting London in the coming week, I would be down to meet Orgahs in the area who want to meet up for lunch or drinks and whatnot.
When are you in town and what area are you staying?
Originally Posted by Idaho:
I'm in London on Wednesday and Thursday. Although I'll be working both days, doing a work related sports event on Wednesday and flying out early afternoon Thursday...
When are you in town and what area are you staying?
PM'ed you.I'm in London on Wednesday and Thursday. Although I'll be working both days, doing a work related sports event on Wednesday and flying out early afternoon Thursday...
When are you in town and what area are you staying?
Didnt your mother tell you never to meet people from the internet?
Originally Posted by Greyblades:
Didnt your mother tell you never to meet people from the internet?
Well the Org is like a really weird second family to me. Ive been here a decade now and Ive already met five Orgahs in real life, had drinks with them, went on day trips with them, even crashed on their couches. It has been an overwhelmingly positive experience for me and I am always looking to expand on that.Didnt your mother tell you never to meet people from the internet?
Originally Posted by Hooahguy:
Well the Org is like a really weird second family to me. Ive been here a decade now and Ive already met five Orgahs in real life, had drinks with them, went on day trips with them, even crashed on their couches. It has been an overwhelmingly positive experience for me and I am always looking to expand on that.
I wasn't planning on being in London but I suppose I could get the train up on Wednesday.Well the Org is like a really weird second family to me. Ive been here a decade now and Ive already met five Orgahs in real life, had drinks with them, went on day trips with them, even crashed on their couches. It has been an overwhelmingly positive experience for me and I am always looking to expand on that.
Why London? Why?
Originally Posted by Greyblades:
Didnt your mother tell you never to meet people from the internet?
No problem chez Fragony, all orghas are welcomeDidnt your mother tell you never to meet people from the internet?
Originally Posted by Philippus Flavius Homovallumus:
I wasn't planning on being in London but I suppose I could get the train up on Wednesday.
Why London? Why?
I have plans made for Wednesday evening but I would be happy to work around your schedule. I am in London from Monday morning until Friday morning. Then I will be in Oxford with a day trip to the Flying Legends airshow on Sunday.I wasn't planning on being in London but I suppose I could get the train up on Wednesday.
Why London? Why?
Where do you get all that money from, especially Norway is really expensive, but London isn't exactly cheap either, you will need pecunis and a lot of them
Originally Posted by Fragony:
Where do you get all that money from, especially Norway is really expensive, but London isn't exactly cheap either, you will need pecunis and a lot of them
We get a dollar everytime we infract someone. Just paid off a house mortgage thanks to PFH alone this week.Where do you get all that money from, especially Norway is really expensive, but London isn't exactly cheap either, you will need pecunis and a lot of them
Originally Posted by Beskar:
We get a dollar everytime we infract someone. Just paid off a house mortgage thanks to PFH alone this week.
You must be hallucinating a magic money tree, because I see no infractions.We get a dollar everytime we infract someone. Just paid off a house mortgage thanks to PFH alone this week.
Originally Posted by Fragony:
Where do you get all that money from, especially Norway is really expensive, but London isn't exactly cheap either, you will need pecunis and a lot of them
I mean I have been working and saving a good amount of money just for these instances so it's not a whole lot. Don't forget, I haven't really travelled in two years now so it's taken time to save up.Where do you get all that money from, especially Norway is really expensive, but London isn't exactly cheap either, you will need pecunis and a lot of them
Better than alcohol and drugs I guess. I like travelling but I really need company I can't be alone, so it isn't akways easy to organse
Originally Posted by Philippus Flavius Homovallumus:
You must be hallucinating a magic money tree, because I see no infractions.
You must be hallucinating a magic money tree, because I see no infractions.
Originally Posted by Fragony:
Better than alcohol and drugs I guess. I like travelling but I really need company I can't be alone, so it isn't akways easy to organse
Oh I prefer travelling alone. I get to see exactly what I want to see, go where I want to go, and eat what I want to eat. Downside is that it can be a bit lonely but I focus on what I am seeing at the present and its no big deal to be by myself. Better than alcohol and drugs I guess. I like travelling but I really need company I can't be alone, so it isn't akways easy to organse
Anyways, had a wonderful first day, saw the major landmarks, even managed to get myself properly lost by taking the wrong bus in the completely opposite direction of where I needed to go. At least the weather mostly held up.
Originally Posted by Hooahguy:
Oh I prefer travelling alone. I get to see exactly what I want to see, go where I want to go, and eat what I want to eat. Downside is that it can be a bit lonely but I focus on what I am seeing at the present and its no big deal to be by myself.
Anyways, had a wonderful first day, saw the major landmarks, even managed to get myself properly lost by taking the wrong bus in the completely opposite direction of where I needed to go. At least the weather mostly held up.
Pro-tip: don't take the bus if you can manage it, take the Tube or walk.Oh I prefer travelling alone. I get to see exactly what I want to see, go where I want to go, and eat what I want to eat. Downside is that it can be a bit lonely but I focus on what I am seeing at the present and its no big deal to be by myself.
Anyways, had a wonderful first day, saw the major landmarks, even managed to get myself properly lost by taking the wrong bus in the completely opposite direction of where I needed to go. At least the weather mostly held up.
Originally Posted by Philippus Flavius Homovallumus:
Pro-tip: don't take the bus if you can manage it, take the Tube or walk.
Oh I agree, unfortunately the only way to get to the flat I am staying at is by bus if I dont want a 30 minute walk from the tube station.Pro-tip: don't take the bus if you can manage it, take the Tube or walk.
It is a shame I am unable to meet you. In a critical 3 weeks which makes it impossible to do anything other than work, pretty much.
Originally Posted by Hooahguy:
Oh I prefer travelling alone. I get to see exactly what I want to see, go where I want to go, and eat what I want to eat. Downside is that it can be a bit lonely but I focus on what I am seeing at the present and its no big deal to be by myself.
Anyways, had a wonderful first day, saw the major landmarks, even managed to get myself properly lost by taking the wrong bus in the completely opposite direction of where I needed to go. At least the weather mostly held up.
Luckily we were still in the EU when I decided to take a trip through some of Europe with just a backpack and some changes of clothes. Saved up a fortnight's leave and took the Eurostar to Gare du Nord, then hopped around various cities in different countries, picking out lesser talked about attractions along the way. Travelling by plane will never be as enjoyable as travelling by train, if you can make the time. Oh, and perhaps they've changed it by now, but back then the Metro made the Tube look modern.Oh I prefer travelling alone. I get to see exactly what I want to see, go where I want to go, and eat what I want to eat. Downside is that it can be a bit lonely but I focus on what I am seeing at the present and its no big deal to be by myself.
Anyways, had a wonderful first day, saw the major landmarks, even managed to get myself properly lost by taking the wrong bus in the completely opposite direction of where I needed to go. At least the weather mostly held up.
Originally Posted by Hooahguy:
Anyways, had a wonderful first day, saw the major landmarks, even managed to get myself properly lost by taking the wrong bus in the completely opposite direction of where I needed to go.
And mind you I haven't left my home country yet. Anyways, had a wonderful first day, saw the major landmarks, even managed to get myself properly lost by taking the wrong bus in the completely opposite direction of where I needed to go.
Just kidding.May is denying publication of a report on Saudi funding of UK mosques. In a way, public policy in the UK is under constant manipulation. Not that there was any doubt that Britain was a foreign-owned neoliberal and Islamist playground for years now.
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