UK General Election 2017

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

PVC, this just doesn't contradict what I have said.

London or Cornwall are part of the Union in the same way that Northern Ireland or England are part of the Union - territoriality and physically - AND the latter are part of the Union in an additional way that the former are not, namely being legal entities within the Union, or "separate countries" as you say. The fact that separate countries are constituent of the whole in BOTH ways is precisely what allows an individual country's components to in turn "be a part of" that whole. That Cornwall is a part of the Union is wholly dependent on England being a part of the Union, but not vice versa.

It is possible for an entity to have more than one logical status at a time. Identity has nothing to do with it.

You lost the argument when you put "separate countries" in quotation marks. London and Cornwall are not part of the Union "in the same way" as Northern Ireland, that is entirely the point.

Indeed, the relationship between London and England and between Northern Ireland and England are very different.

Wow. Some burning issues going down. Cornish secession. Lol

Heh, burning issues.

Say, remember during the Olympics when one of the runners in the torch relay unfurled a Cornish flag and tried to carry it over the Tamar Bridge, then got taken out by a Policeman?

Classic Cornish.

Except this has nothing to do with Identity in the slightest...
Though, in your hypothetical pub, I think people in the pub would be cheering when I agree with them that they should get extra money.

No, it's all about identity - identity is why none of the otherwise UK-Wide parties mark seats in Northern Ireland.

As to suggesting we ape the DUP - given the number of ex-Servicemen here I'd imagine that'd go down like a sack of lead balloon.

This is basically what I said.

No, because you made a direct and inappropriate comparison between a region of England and a separate country.

This is not the case. It is Philippus getting super-pedantic storm-in-teacup grade over the idea where I agreed that his local area should get more investment, due to him discussing that it is historically under-invested. He has somehow managed to turn a comment where agreeing to extra money for his area into a quagmire where apparently agreeing that people should receive extra money would result in me getting beaten up by them for offending their identity in a local pub.

For our international friends, Storm-in-teacup = an idiom meaning a small event that has been exaggerated out of proportion

Do you realise that you're arguing about another region of the UK's political identity with someone who lives there and another Englishman, and the only person backing you up is an American?

[Beskar]

Do you realise that you're arguing about another region of the UK's political identity with someone who lives there and another Englishman, and the only person backing you up is an American?

Yet, I am not discussing identity at all and said that numerous times. So you can say and argue blue in the face because you lost the argument when you are only arguing with yourself. Montmorency is simply supporting me in the fact there isn't an argument there. I bow out from any participation in your straw man identity argument.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Yet, I am not discussing identity at all and said that numerous times. So you can say and argue blue in the face because you lost the argument when you are only arguing with yourself. Montmorency is simply supporting me in the fact there isn't an argument there. I bow out from any participation in your straw man identity argument.

Or you could just apologise for speaking out of turn. That would require you to admit that your comments could offend, though.

Politics is largely about identity, as are concepts of nationality. You tried to draw an equivalence between politicians in a region of England, and politicians in Northern Ireland and suggest that their constituants had a comparable relationship to "the Union" which is itself a rather American way to refer to the UK.

Nobody talks about "The Union" here except in the context of secession - which is a pregnant topic in Northern Ireland but not South-West England, especially because we would be more likely to secede from England rather than the UK.

Fine, though, try to back out gracelessly.

[Hooahguy]

So this is off topic but I figured a thread about the UK would be the best place in the BR for this.

I'm visiting London in the coming week, I would be down to meet Orgahs in the area who want to meet up for lunch or drinks and whatnot.

[Idaho]

So this is off topic but I figured a thread about the UK would be the best place in the BR for this.

I'm visiting London in the coming week, I would be down to meet Orgahs in the area who want to meet up for lunch or drinks and whatnot.

I'm in London on Wednesday and Thursday. Although I'll be working both days, doing a work related sports event on Wednesday and flying out early afternoon Thursday...

When are you in town and what area are you staying?

[Hooahguy]

I'm in London on Wednesday and Thursday. Although I'll be working both days, doing a work related sports event on Wednesday and flying out early afternoon Thursday...

When are you in town and what area are you staying?

PM'ed you.

[Greyblades]

Didnt your mother tell you never to meet people from the internet?

[Beskar]

Or you could just apologise for speaking out of turn. That would require you to admit that your comments could offend, though.

I am one of the first people to apologise when I have wronged someone or admit to a mistake. An easy example was the other week when I misread Fragony's post, and he clarified his point, I retracted my statement and apologised for it. Another example where you pointed out I got EU and NATO the wrong-way status around for Finland.

However, on this subject your offence is self-inflicted. I have clarified and expanded my position on the matter which you chose to ignore and continued on your tirade attempting to find more things to be offended about. As such, I have no duty to apologise for this self-inflicted hurt as you have shown no willingness to engage with me nor my further clarification. If you even replied after my further clarification, with "Ah ha, I mistook what you meant by that Beskar, be careful with your wording", I would happily have said "No problem, I apologise, I should have been clearer". Instead of accepting a rational error, you continue doggedly on this topic drawing offence where none was given or intended.

As such, I apologise if my point wasn't clearer resulting in a manner which it was not being intended nor implied. If you continue to feel this is "graceless", that is your prerogative.