Pokemon Nuzlocke FireRed Mafia [Concluded]

[novice]

Yeah I think your Raith vote is OK. Choxorn, RK and Autolycus are all plausible lynches today. El Barto has a towny tone but I don't understand his thinking, his actions just seem antitown to me.

[Montmorency]

But why?

At the very least, a townie shares your win condition. A neutral has his or her own win condition, and if the opportunity arises to for them to win by making you lose, they will take it.

Townies have to lose, by definition. Survivors don't. Of course it's a risk, but as the most fundamental risk is to the Survivor, live-and-let-live is a valid mutual strategy to pursue. In Futuramafia, the Mafia spent a whole day at the endgame trying to use blatant innuendo to make a claimed Survivor vote the way they wanted, but the Survivor proved obstinate and drove a lynch of scum. So the Mafia NKed him with extreme prejudice, and the Survivor lost. Mafia won next phase. If the Survivor had pursued a better strategy, he would have won with Mafia the same day, most of his VCs fulfilled.

I must amend the above statement. Manasi claimed that her death was due to happen at the end of the current Day phase (D2 in the vernacular) when it is actually due to happen at the end of the coming Night phase (N2 in the vernacular). I am sorry that I did not clarify this before, and my only excuse for such an oversight is that I was engaged in preparing a sauce based on tomatoes (well, mostly tomatoes) for accompanying some pasta al dente for a meal, and I have only now extricated myself from the straps of the cook's apron.

Any spicy meatballs?

[novice]

Well, sure. But even if I didn’t know, I’d rather have killed/lynched a townie than a neutral third party.

But why?

At the very least, a townie shares your win condition. A neutral has his or her own win condition, and if the opportunity arises to for them to win by making you lose, they will take it.

Townies have to lose, by definition. Survivors don't. Of course it's a risk, but as the most fundamental risk is to the Survivor, live-and-let-live is a valid mutual strategy to pursue.

BSmith meant that he’d rather have killed/lynched a townie than a neutral third party as scum.

The whole discussion can probably be put to rest, it seems like a pointless digression.

[Montmorency]

BSmith meant that he’d rather have killed/lynched a townie than a neutral third party as scum.

Yes

The whole discussion can probably be put to rest, it seems like a pointless digression.

Yes

[Montmorency]

I'm at risk. Where is Kemmler?

[GeneralHankerchief]

Vote: Choxorn

Prefer him over the Monty lynch, but I really like novice's 626 questioning Barto and wouldn't mind a much closer look at him and his activities.

[GeneralHankerchief]

List ordered from town to scum, not sorted within tiers.

SeveringViper
Sooh

Csargo
Manasi
novice
Monty

El Barto

---town line---

Raith Kemmler
BSmith
Champ
Logic

---null line---

Jabbz

Choxorn
autolycus


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Comments:

Viper and Sooh have been active, asking good questions, generally townread, and have good tone. I feel like they're trying to solve and have no real reason to suspect either of them.

I believe in Manasi's derp, and she's looked fine otherwise. Hope she survives.

I know I said I can't read Monty but he's still generally twigging my town sensors instead of the other way around.

As for Barto, I know I just said I wanted more pressure on him but then I remembered that he softed his poisoning of Manasi at the start of D2 and feel like that's not something mafia does so it makes me feel a decent bit better about him. The choice of poisoning was definitely a WTF move but I feel like that's more in Barto's town range than the softing was in his scum range.

The nulls are the nulls. Raith's posts in particular just haven't made much of an impression on me but that might be a "me" problem.

On the BSmith/autolycus dichotomy: BSmith has claimed limited time, but has spent his time in the thread doing things that look alright. Would still like to see him go on offense at some point. As for auto, he has *not* claimed limited time and has skated by using generally poor reasoning, if any at all. He's my preferred lynch today and if there's movement on him before I leave for the weekend I will happily flip back to auto.

[Montmorency]

I remembered that he softed his poisoning of Manasi at the start of D2 and feel like that's not something mafia does so it makes me feel a decent bit better about him.

It's something Pizza did a couple of games ago, where he was scum with Barto. And pseudo-serious Barto sure is strange.

[Csargo]

Yeah I think your Raith vote is OK. Choxorn, RK and Autolycus are all plausible lynches today. El Barto has a towny tone but I don't understand his thinking, his actions just seem antitown to me.

This is the most dangerous Barto. Generally his tone is somewhere in between, this is far more serious than I would expect. We'll see what happens, but it is cause for concern imo. Though I wouldn't call it inherently scummy, more observation is needed.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Monty, do you still want to vote me?

[Montmorency]

Is that a threat?

Unvote: GH; Vote: Raith Kemmler

[Champ]

Hi
Wtf I need 3 letters

[novice]

Hi
Wtf I need 3 letters

A secret known only to the most dedicated of lurkers.

[Montmorency]

A secret known only to the most dedicated of lurkers.

What does this mean?

[novice]

Barto's pretty brazen as scum.

I've gathered, which is why I'm concerned with his actions, and why I want El Barto to explain his thinking.

Hi
Wtf I need 3 letters

A secret known only to the most dedicated of lurkers.

What does this mean?

You can't post just "Hi", the forum software requires you to include at least three letters in a post. You'd have to be a hardcore lurker (or a programmer) to know that, was my joke.

[novice]

I forgot this existed

Why must you lie
manasi
so i dont get replaced

Champ is worried about being replaced, but not about being lynched.

I'm having a hard time finding something constructive to do.

Monty, you can have my vote for now.
Vote: Montmorency
Why did you claim on D2, what was the rush?

[Montmorency]

To demonstrate good will.

[Manasi]

Hi.

I left to do family things yesterday and then essentially went straight to bed.

I'm gonna reread from SOD and hit y'all with some TAKES.

I hope.

I might also just get distracted again.

[Manasi]

Is there a max # of multiquotes/post?

Welp.

Gonna be a few posts from me then weee.

[Manasi]

That's remarkably crappy logic now that I've had my coffee. Zack as scum and GH as town is certainly a possibility. But given that GH's scumminess is largely dependent on Zack being scum it makes little sense to lynch GH first.

Uhhh. Why does it depend on Zack? GH and Chox hardly associated with each other and GH hasn't been around much since zack has started playing. Can you help me understand this?

Play the game.

This is a funny progression.

Zack came ITT and immediately (well..) jumped into the game and started rereading. He's arguably already done more solving being in the game for like 14 hours than most people have in three days (myself included). I think telling him to play the game and then proceeding to have very terse and seemingly fluff/useless responses isn't a good look. Something that's making me lean scum on you especially because it comes off as though you expect us to read you as a villager because you're playing well but in reality ?????

Or rather: Because of GH stating he was going to be gone for a long weekend, and unable to defend himself, he is the best lynch today, barring further evidence.

To clarify, he deliberately created chaos on a day where he wouldn't be around to defend.

Vote: GeneralHankerchief

STOP ANALYZING THINGS LIKE THIS. Omg. This is bad. GH is a great player (from what I've seen) and this is in no way reality. Voting and ghosting isn't a strategy and you shouldn't jump to this being the proper conclusion.

AHHH.




Okay.

In addition to my last post where I was prioritizing Barto as scum, I don't think Monty has much going for him either. I suppose it'll switch around a bit as the day continues but I've only read the two-ish pages from today. I'll try to reread the majority of the game and figure some more out to either strengthen some scum reads or make me re-evaluate, but right now I'm comfortable in Barto/Mont scum.



I do still think novice/Zack/SV/GH/Csargo are villagers so should be fine running with that for a while.
@Champ IS an easy mislynch but it would be great if he started posting more.

Pretty easy to determine his alignment if he actually posts lel.

[Montmorency]

This is bad logic and you should not be proud of yourself for it.

Which part? The chaos-read or the push for lynch regardless? I like both.

Zack came ITT and immediately (well..) jumped into the game and started rereading. He's arguably already done more solving being in the game for like 14 hours than most people have in three days (myself included). I think telling him to play the game and then proceeding to have very terse and seemingly fluff/useless responses isn't a good look. Something that's making me lean scum on you especially because it comes off as though you expect us to read you as a villager because you're playing well but in reality ?????

Zack made two reads posts, the first of which I disagreed with, and asked a few questions of various people. He's not reached his peak yet.

I've said plenty of GH, and commented on Barto. Since I don't know what to do with the rest of you, I'm fine staying the course.

Chill out.

[Manasi]

Why are you telling me to chill out?

My wrists look like frozen Poland Spring water.

[novice]

Uhhh. Why does it depend on Zack? GH and Chox hardly associated with each other and GH hasn't been around much since zack has started playing. Can you help me understand this?

The main issue with GH, for me at least, is his last minute switch from Choxorn to Raith. And that is only scummy if Choxorn/Zack is scum.

[Zack]

I do still think novice/Zack/SV/GH/Csargo are villagers so should be fine running with that for a while.

Why Csargo?

[Manasi]

Why Csargo?

bc he's my friend

[Sooh]

Yeah I think your Raith vote is OK. Choxorn, RK and Autolycus are all plausible lynches today. El Barto has a towny tone but I don't understand his thinking, his actions just seem antitown to me.

Can you fill this out with examples, please?

[Sooh]

Champ? If you're somehow still around, please come play and make reads and such. It's not D1 anymore, so it's possible to read stuff now!

[novice]

Examples of what?
Poisoning Manasi is antitown.
The tone read is hard to exemplify or verbalize. The "Enjoy my poison while I cook this pasta, this will clear three players" attitude just comes across as towny. It's just so brazen if scum.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Examples of what?
Poisoning Manasi is antitown.
The tone read is hard to exemplify or verbalize. The "Enjoy my poison while I cook this pasta, this will clear three players" attitude just comes across as towny. It's just so brazen if scum.

Barto's pretty brazen as scum.