I'm enjoying this fireworks display. It's playing out beautifully.
Just for you, Csargo
Yes, I think you should leave as visible a trail as possible regarding your suspicions and thought processes, and get started as soon as possible. Vote early and often. Ideally you should always have a vote on your top suspect.*
For majority lynch games a bit more care may be required, I don't have much experience with that game type though.
*Generally speaking. There are acceptable exceptions, e.g. when applying pressure to specific players and when trapping.
A detective with a defined mental model/stereotype of something/someone can be a poor detective, indeed. So you've just said that Sooh can throw off your game. Nice to state that you have preconceptions of her in advance, but how do you plan to deal with that before it can lead to error? Are you just going to let others work on reading her?
I had a long, on point but also witty response typed out and then my browser crashed.
In short I stereotype everyone, and everyone does that. So I'm a bit surprised to be asked to discuss Sooh specifically at this point. Generally you just have to try and compensate for bias in your estimations, and also fall back on more objective evidence such as voting records, power role results and interaction patterns.
The best process, as you allude to, is the scientific one, where you have a group of peers critiquing each other's work. Everybody's biased, but in a collective the biases might cancel out (or not - groupthink is a very real danger). Not so easy of course when the group is infiltrated by scumbags, but still.
I get the feeling my browser is about to crash again so let me share my Sooh reads in the next post.
good lord| if you're telling the truth you're setting new records for scumminess as a townie -Renata on IM, 16/09/2011
Feles deliberatissimae subiugare humanitiati sunt, et res solae quae eas desinunt canes sunt.
I see I've been sigged yet again -Askthepizzaguy, 02/08/2012
Hindsight is 20/20 Askthepizzaguy, 10/07/2013
Meant to say also that I should probably have described myself as an interrogator and not a detective, as I'm not brilliant at drawing conclusions.
good lord| if you're telling the truth you're setting new records for scumminess as a townie -Renata on IM, 16/09/2011
Feles deliberatissimae subiugare humanitiati sunt, et res solae quae eas desinunt canes sunt.
I see I've been sigged yet again -Askthepizzaguy, 02/08/2012
Hindsight is 20/20 Askthepizzaguy, 10/07/2013
I asked about Sooh specifically because she's the only one you've mentioned knowing long enough to have developed a full mental model of how she acts/plays that can bias you, and she's already started posting and doing things that can be read.
Shame about your browser, but hopefully it doesn't delay your posting too much.
good lord| if you're telling the truth you're setting new records for scumminess as a townie -Renata on IM, 16/09/2011
Feles deliberatissimae subiugare humanitiati sunt, et res solae quae eas desinunt canes sunt.
I see I've been sigged yet again -Askthepizzaguy, 02/08/2012
Hindsight is 20/20 Askthepizzaguy, 10/07/2013
About Sooh. I stereotype her as the helpful, observing type, who (tries to) facilitate discussion, gathers evidence, and follows up with good insights later, not having too many strong opinions, but also rarely being wrong. Does not drive the lynch.
So she's on schedule so far but has a lot to live up to later...
That really sounds like a ridiculous stereotype now that I type it out. How does it fit, Sooh?
What is your read on Sooh, Viper?
So, my first thought was that novice is a bit scummy for pushing the "everyone needs to give me your own descriptions of your playstyles" thing just a bit too hard, especially as he's been on this forum before and I don't recall him doing it when he was truly new (and town) to boot. There's a couple posts in there about ideal town strategy, etc, but that's pretty easy to fake as scum.
Sooh and Viper probably not aligned.
Vote: novice
"I'm going to die anyway, and therefore have nothing more to do except deliberately annoy Lemur." -Orb, in the chat
"Lemur. Even if he's innocent, he's a pain; so kill him." -Ignoramus
"I'm going to need to collect all of the rants about the guilty lemur, and put them in a pretty box with ponies and pink bows. Then I'm going to sprinkle sparkly magic dust on the box, and kiss it." -Lemur
Mafia: Promoting peace and love since June 2006
"I'm going to die anyway, and therefore have nothing more to do except deliberately annoy Lemur." -Orb, in the chat
"Lemur. Even if he's innocent, he's a pain; so kill him." -Ignoramus
"I'm going to need to collect all of the rants about the guilty lemur, and put them in a pretty box with ponies and pink bows. Then I'm going to sprinkle sparkly magic dust on the box, and kiss it." -Lemur
Mafia: Promoting peace and love since June 2006
So far, I'd agree about helpful and trying to start discussion, as her stepping in to react to what she read as my potential inexperience/lack of knowledge. She did show she puts importance on analysis and evidence when she mentioned looking forward to when I'd actually analyze things. I can't say I like her ignoring the questions I've asked in saying that, or that it still looks like she went out of her way to answer for you.
^Also that she's that type of player. :P
If she is the more quiet/passive but accurate type, I'd admit I like that, but we'll see.
I mean, I can link you to a post describing my play made by someone I play with regularly, though it is a few months old.
What I do notice though is that you don't really describe any difference in terms of my town or scum play, but I'm not sure how many of either we have played together. Other than that it's sort of just a description of my personality.
Because, GH, I haven't pushed that thing at all. I asked politely, once, in the opening post. The only post where I'm even close to pushing it is in post 45 in a direct response to Viper, and there I said that it was mainly a conversation starter. A multitude of players ignored my request without me complaining. I'm even voting for Raith Kemmler because he answered my request!
I've never played with these players before:
Logic
Champ
Manasi
SeveringViper
Csargo (I don't think?)
Autolycus
Raith Kemmler
So I figured it was a reasonable conversation starter. Which also might draw a scummy vote like the one you just made.
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