Pokemon Nuzlocke FireRed Mafia [Concluded]

[Cuthillius]

Someone appearing to contradict themselves and say two opposing things at once is always noteworthy, I think, especially when they continue to dodge explaining that contradiction.

except he explained himself quite clearly and it's honestly just pointless at this point

i don't mind it if you note that he, in your opinion, "contradicted himself", but grilling him over it on a point so unessential, in particularly one that i'm fairly certain is mostly a misunderstanding on your point, seems suboptimal

he literally said he's played on the playground for three years, and one game on the org recently

so he played with a couple of players on the org, and apart from that unless you've played on the playground during that time span he's never played with you

i don't understand what exactly you don't understand, but i hope that makes it clearer

source: am also from the playground

[SeveringViper]

i don't mind it if you note that he, in your opinion, "contradicted himself", but grilling him over it on a point so unessential, in particularly one that i'm fairly certain is mostly a misunderstanding on your point, seems suboptimal

Questioning a contradiction is almost never suboptimal. Questioning contradictions and challenging people is how you play the game, you don't just wait for scum to hand you blatant slips and clear evidence.

except he explained himself quite clearly and it's honestly just pointless at this point

he literally said he's played on the playground for three years, and one game on the org recently

so he played with a couple of players on the org, and apart from that unless you've played on the playground during that time span he's never played with you

Except that likely is what he meant, but it's not what he said:

I'd like to think so.

I've only played one game on this forum before, and I recognize a handful of the players from that game in this one. Unless you've played on the Playground in the last 3 years, no one has played a game with me before.

And when asked by novice, he didn't clarify that was what he meant, but continued to talk about himself:

I played precisely one game on the Org (French Revolution hosted by GeneralHandkerchief, where I somehow convinced a large portion of the playerbase that I was scum, when in fact, I was not.) Some players I recognize from that game in this one. The second sentence was an incomplete thought; there was supposed to be an additional clause in there, and I didn't notice it until you pointed it out to me. So, besides the one game here on the Org, all my mafia/werewolf experience is from the Playground.

So I asked him exactly that myself, and he hasn't responded as far as I can see while I'm typing this.

You're answering for him. I hope you understand why you really shouldn't be doing that.

[Cuthillius]

Questioning a contradiction is almost never suboptimal. Questioning contradictions and challenging people is how you play the game, you don't just wait for scum to hand you blatant slips and clear evidence.


Except that likely is what he meant, but it's not what he said:



And when asked by novice, he didn't clarify that was what he meant, but continued to talk about himself:

So I asked him exactly that myself, and he hasn't responded as far as I can see while I'm typing this.

You're answering for him. I hope you understand why you really shouldn't be doing that.

okay

i'll leave you alone then

i've read it multiple times and i'm still not seeing a contradiction, so

[Sooh]

Questioning a contradiction is almost never suboptimal. Questioning contradictions and challenging people is how you play the game, you don't just wait for scum to hand you blatant slips and clear evidence.

It isn't a slip though. Not a game relevant one anyway.

If he forgot that he played with someone recently or didn't, what does that have to do with anything in game? Or are you thinking that scum will pull a "I can't read this guy, because I haven't played with him before/recently"?

Nitpicking about game slips, sure, go ahead! I feel though that those are most often made by townies, because in my experience scums quality check their posts more.

[El Barto]

Nitpicking about game slips, sure, go ahead! I feel though that those are most often made by townies, because in my experience scums quality check their posts more.

We don't?

[SeveringViper]

okay

i'll leave you alone then

i've read it multiple times and i'm still not seeing a contradiction, so

That conversation's over anyway. Any other thoughts or reads?

It isn't a slip though. Not a game relevant one anyway.

If he forgot that he played with someone recently or didn't, what does that have to do with anything in game? Or are you thinking that scum will pull a "I can't read this guy, because I haven't played with him before/recently"?

Nitpicking about game slips, sure, go ahead! I feel though that those are most often made by townies, because in my experience scums quality check their posts more.

My point was not to wait for "game-relevant slips".

That's not what he said and I never thought it was. N/A

That can be true, but how far does it go? If I say anyone who makes a contradictory/strange/suspicious post should be left alone because scum would be more careful about what they post, I'd get nowhere, accomplish nothing and lose. Better to take the risk and push anything, and leave it to the player to convince me they're town. There are times they will, there are times they'll fail and get mislynched, there are times they are scum who can be made to slip from the pressure. But holding back does nothing.

[Raith Kemmler]

Laptop has taken ill. Will be a bit harder to post outside home. PSA, as I hate my phone for this.

Last 9ish hours have been slow though. Manasi in with no thoughts on anyone, which is kind of surprising to me.
Monty, Choxorn, Csargo and Autolycus about where I would expect them to be at this time in the game. A few joke/poke votes and a lean or two on players. GH's fairly long first post had some odd conclusions that I hope he can get back to.

I currently feel quite good about Novice and Severing Viper. Both are slight town leans. El Barto too, but I suspect I feel that way just because I enjoy playing with him. No solid reasons yet.

Elaborate on Csargo and Monty? Autolycus seems normal enough for day 1. No lean. Could maybe vote towards Chox.

I can (vaguely) remember three games. First game I was town, followed a few mislynches led by scum pizza, then got mislynched by him. Town lost. Second game I was scum and we won with three scum and three town remaining, and me being widely townread almost until the end. Third game I subbed in as town on day three, tunneled on scum pizza, and got nightkilled quickly. You'd need to read the games for more details.

Sorry if I come across as a killjoy, I'm enjoying the game and find myself smiling while playing it.

More curious about the how of GH's reasoning than the game details. But thanks.

‘Theory’ is not a verb and ‘rational’ is not a noun, but that's Lisa's shtick. What is this ‘shoot in midgame if no wolves caught’ thing?

No one likes a pedent. Yes, pedEnt.

welp ded thread


anyway, all i did was ctrl f my name.

You guys need to talk about me more that was boring.

Haven't seen a post from Manasi I like. Not shady so much as empty filler. But said she's sick, so will wait to pass judgement.

Anyone have a vote count? Will manually do it in a few hours otherwise.

[Sooh]

Elaborate on Csargo and Monty? Autolycus seems normal enough for day 1. No lean. Could maybe vote towards Chox.

There is nothing in particular to note, that was sort of the point. I usually end up having no lean on the majority of the players here at the Org, because I don't understand how people get leans from 3 posts with one sentence in each. All I'm saying is that those players seem like what I would expect from them here.

[Cuthillius]

That conversation's over anyway. Any other thoughts or reads?.

not at this point, no

[SeveringViper]

Anyone have a vote count? Will manually do it in a few hours otherwise.

Just made one myself, pretty sure I got everything:

Novice - 3: GH, seireikhaan, Montmorency
Montmorency - 2: autolycus
Manasi - 2: Choxorn
GH - 3: SV, novice, Barto
Sooh - 1: Raith
Raith - 1: Logic
Seireikhaan - 1: Csargo

I don't think you unvoted before changing btw, @novice;, and that's a requirement for it to count.

not at this point, no

Ok.

[novice]

I don't think you unvoted before changing btw, @novice;, and that's a requirement for it to count.

Thanks. That's not a requirement on this forum though.