Pokemon Nuzlocke FireRed Mafia [Concluded]

[El Barto]

I do apologise for disappearing last night, Mr. Jabbz. Matters related to that commonly known as Real Life suddenly took over.

You never do report on that ISO you claimed you were going to do.

I shall see about this.

Maybe I'm overestimating the scum team's sway, but it feels like they could have done better than tie the vote if Monty's scum.

And risk confirming their identities?

[Montmorency]

And risk confirming their identities?

Zack believes that they did: his top team is Monty, Viper, Csargo, all voting auto yesterday.

But then if you are right, and my partners preferred distancing, then Viper and Csargo should not be counted as likely scum for that reason, and the other wagons need to be checked.

And who were on those wagons? Barto and GH on Jabbz, Logic on GH, and Champ on Logic. Auto and BSmith flipped town, so auto on BSmith means nothing, but how about BSmith on Champ?

Was it GH and Barto, my well-bussed fellows, setting up Jabbz as the alternative wagon and me distancing myself from them by choosing auto for the tie? Was it Logic and Champ ending off-wagon, hoping to stay UTR?

How deep does this hole go?

[El Barto]

I find it somewhat perplexing that Autolycus never disclosed his abilities. I think he could have defended himself better. But I will admit that it would not have been his style.

Policy lynch candidates:
Champ
Autolycus
Jabbz
BSmith

Has any of this changed at all, besides the fact that Autolycus and BSmith are now out of the picture? Your list alone makes me not want either Champ or Jabbz to die right now. 100% of those on your list, so far, have been proven to be members of the town.

Was it GH and Barto, my well-bussed fellows

Good God, Monty, not this again.

[Montmorency]

Has any of this changed at all, besides the fact that Autolycus and BSmith are now out of the picture? Your list alone makes me not want either Champ or Jabbz to die right now. 100% of those on your list, so far, have been proven to be members of the town.

50% of his list.

Good God, Monty, not this again.

So you're saying that we shouldn't investigate the other wagons to find my partners? Do you believe, after all, that Csargo and Viper are my partners and that they were prepared to reveal themselves? Or are you slyly implying that Logic should be lynched, given your ostensibly-distinct reluctance to consider Champ as relayed to novice?

[El Barto]

50% of his list.

A full 100% of those who died, Monty. The tendency is strong.

So you're saying that we shouldn't investigate the other wagons to find my partners? Do you believe, after all, that Csargo and Viper are my partners and that they were prepared to reveal themselves? Or are you slyly implying that Logic should be lynched, given your ostensibly-distinct reluctance to consider Champ as relayed to novice?

All I was expressing was surprise and exasperation at the fact that you still think that GeneralHankerchief and myself are part of the same ‘Mafia’ team.

I have not gotten around to reading what Logic has posted this phase. I am still trying to untangle whatever it was that I was supposed to untangle from Jabbz's earlier posts.

[Zack]

no one else has been poisoned?

[Montmorency]

no one else has been poisoned?

Cuth is long-dead, and Barto claimed to have used his 1X Poison on Manasi.

All the night kills so far seem to have been standard Mafia kills, except

Elsewhere, a pokemon used Thunderbolt!



...It wasn't very effective.

which appears to be a failed attack of some sort N2.

[Zack]

the n2 kill was different

thrown rock instead of earthquake

[Montmorency]

the n2 kill was different

thrown rock instead of earthquake

I think it's clear the Mafia are rock-type Pokemon.

[Jabbz]

I do apologise for disappearing last night, Mr. Jabbz. Matters related to that commonly known as Real Life suddenly took over.

I shall see about this.

And risk confirming their identities?

I feel you, and no worries.

All right, Mr. Jabbz. While I go through your quotes, may I ask you why you voted for Zack so strangely last phase?

As MM pointed out, Zack and I had a rather ridiculous row my first game here, both of us taking shit personally we shouldn't have. Since he joined in after the game had already started, I thought it would be an amusing vote to cast for Modkill avoidance, until I had something solid.

I find a most distressing link between Jabbz and Logic. On Day One:

After that day:

When novice questioned your reasons:

Then you say, a few posts further down you mention owing Zack a read on Montmorency (see below).

And on Day Four:

It is quite likely that there is a deeper connection between the two of you. Your continued defence of him as ‘lock town’ based on the one first-day post is quite baffling.
More ludic, or possibly lucid, minds should converge on this, I think.

So, what do you think of that cunicular user, as of this new Day Phase?

I addressed this a couple posts back, please feel free to reference that, or any of the other 8 posts I've made about it.


Beyond that however, I find it interesting that you are still going hard after me, without addressing the issues that exist in the case you made against me. You made claims against me that were fundamentally untrue, but rather than accept that your argument was flawed, you instead gloss over the major point of my post, and keep attacking me.

I think you feel that I'm under enough pressure that you can safely pursue me without having a real case, something town wouldn't do. I think that a Vote: El Barto is in order.

[novice]

Tell me, is there anything I've called stupid/garbage where I've been absolutely unwilling to explain why?

Errr... Yes? How could you forget that Monty had claimed a 1-shot roleblocker?
Anyway, let's move on. The following is a bit rambly but I'll just dump some thoughts.

SeveringViper came out of the gate today seeming frustrated, and I don't think scum have reason to be frustrated at this point. Monty's play today has been towny.

One possible source of frustration for scum is if their N3 kill was blocked. I've been suspecting that BSmith was a vig kill, seems like a good play for a vig to get rid of a lurker. It seems others have had the same thought since they're inquiring about poisoners. Apparently the flavor supports this being a mafia kill though? I'm not into Pokemon. SV apparently did not have that thought, he didn't link Monty being blocked on N3 with mafia possibly missing a kill. I wanted to hear his reasoning for blocking Monty because I think it had very little chance of blocking a scum kill anyway, since Monty would probably not be doing the killing if he was scum, given the amount of heat he took on D3.

In short, if someone did vig BSmith I think it would be beneficial to claim that ASAP. I'm currently assuming that he was not vigged.
If BSmith was indeed the mafia night kill I think that points to multiple scum being of the active persuasion. By killing a lurker we have fewer lurkers to choose between when lynching, but just as many active players as before.

I think it makes sense to speculate on teams at this point.

Regarding Zack, the case on Monty yesterday and on Viper today is the kind of case I like to pursue myself, and you can really get going picking apart the responses of the accused. I've mislynched many people with cases like this though. Some people just aren't good at defending even when town, or are too stubborn, or fail to see problems with their own play. I guess what I'm saying is that if Monty and Viper are town, which I find very possible, we're really making things easy for scum!Zack, and I'm a bit concerned that he just keeps pushing instead of seeing things from all sides.