Pokemon Nuzlocke FireRed Mafia [Concluded]

[novice]

I'm actually not sure why barto is a wagon here.

Counterwagon to Viper. And the poison.
I also don't like how he never misses an opportunity to point out that Monty is tunneling.

[El Barto]

Counterwagon to Viper. And the poison.
I also don't like how he never misses an opportunity to point out that Monty is tunneling.

And am I ever wrong?

[Zack]

Counterwagon to Viper. And the poison.
I also don't like how he never misses an opportunity to point out that Monty is tunneling.

he's a wagon because he's a wagon, right

[Askthepizzaguy]

Stop posting. It is night!

[SeveringViper]

Zack is scum or just worth vanishing here

[novice]

Day 4 tally:

Lynch votes
6 votes: SeveringViper (Zack, Logic, Csargo, El Barto, Manasi,
GeneralHankerchief)
4 votes: El Barto (Jabbz, novice, Montmorency, SeveringViper)
1 votes: Logic (Champ)

Voting history:

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Logic

Jabbz

SeveringViper

Zack

El Barto

El Barto

SeveringViper

El Barto

SeveringViper

SeveringViper

El Barto

Jabbz

SeveringViper

SeveringViper

SeveringViper

[novice]

Night actions:
N1: Unclaimed: Someone killed Cuthilius
N1: Claimed: Monty blocked GH
N1: Claimed: El Barto poisoned Manasi
N1, possible: Someone attacked SeveringViper
N2: Unclaimed: Someone healed Manasi?
N2: Unclaimed: Someone used Thunderbolt (ineffective)
N2: Unclaimed: Someone killed Sooh
N3: Unclaimed: Someone killed BSmith
N3: SeveringViper blocked Monty
N3: Zack blocked Monty (3 nights)
N4: Zack blocked Csargo (3 nights)
N4: Noone was killed
N5: Someone killed Zack


Day 1
6 votes: seireikhaan (Csargo, GeneralHankerchief, novice, Cuthillius, Choxorn, Raith Kemmler)
4 votes: Montmorency (autolycus, BSmith, Logic, SeveringViper)
3 votes: choxorn (Manasi, seireikhaan, Jabbz)
2 votes: GeneralHankerchief (El Barto, Sooh)
1 votes: Manasi (Champ)
1 votes: Severing Viper (Montmorency)

Day 2
5 votes: Raith Kemmler (Sooh, Montmorency, Logic, Manasi, GeneralHankerchief)
4 votes: choxorn (Csargo, novice, El Barto, SeveringViper)
1 votes: Montmorency (autolycus)
1 votes: El Barto (BSmith)


Day 3
3 votes: Autolycus (Csargo, SeveringViper, Montmorency)
3 votes: Montmorency (Zack, novice, Jabbz)
2 votes: Jabbz (El Barto, GeneralHankerchief)
1 votes: GeneralHankerchief (Logic)
1 votes: Champ (BSmith)
1 votes: Bsmith (autolycus)
1 votes: Logic (Champ)


Day 4
6 votes: SeveringViper (Zack, Logic, Csargo, El Barto, Manasi,
GeneralHankerchief)
4 votes: El Barto (Jabbz, novice, Montmorency, SeveringViper)
1 votes: Logic (Champ)


Day 5
7 votes: Csargo (Zack, GeneralHankerchief, El Barto, novice, Montmorency, Logic, Manasi)
1 votes: Zack (Csargo)
1 votes: Logic (Champ)
1 votes: El Barto (Jabbz)

[GeneralHankerchief]

Right now my POE is looking something like this:

Jabbz/El Barto (top is in flux right now) > Champ > Manasi > Logic

Champ is kind of the linchpin in all this. I think Jabbz flipping scum clears him for his willingness to jump on a Jabbz CFD I suggested a couple of rounds ago. Jabbz flipping town keeps Champ where he is. Furthermore, Champ is also tied to Logic - he's been going after the guy all game. If Champ flips mafia, I think Logic is cleared, though that's not as strong of a clear for me as Jabbz flipping scum would be because it's possible it might have been some kind of ploy. If Champ flips town, then I need to take a closer look at Logic.

One thing that looks fairly certain is that Champ and I both look like LYLO bait since we seem to be in the middle of the consensus POE. If that's the case, and if Jabbz flips scum, I'm snap-voting whoever the third person in the scenario is and calling it a day. Plan accordingly.

[Montmorency]

Right now my POE is looking something like this:

Jabbz/El Barto (top is in flux right now) > Champ > Manasi > Logic

Champ is kind of the linchpin in all this. I think Jabbz flipping scum clears him for his willingness to jump on a Jabbz CFD I suggested a couple of rounds ago. Jabbz flipping town keeps Champ where he is. Furthermore, Champ is also tied to Logic - he's been going after the guy all game. If Champ flips mafia, I think Logic is cleared, though that's not as strong of a clear for me as Jabbz flipping scum would be because it's possible it might have been some kind of ploy. If Champ flips town, then I need to take a closer look at Logic.

One thing that looks fairly certain is that Champ and I both look like LYLO bait since we seem to be in the middle of the consensus POE. If that's the case, and if Jabbz flips scum, I'm snap-voting whoever the third person in the scenario is and calling it a day. Plan accordingly.

What do you think of El Barto:

Flip scum, +town Jabbz Logic, -town Manasi Champ
Flip town, +town Manasi, -town Logic

[GeneralHankerchief]

What do you think of El Barto:

Flip scum, +town Jabbz Logic, -town Manasi Champ
Flip town, +town Manasi, -town Logic

I haven't done enough reading into El Barto to really answer that right now, but on first glance that looks about right.

[Logic]

How I complied my Antidote list. Those that had Manasi on their "likely town" lists, and those that were talking about the poisoning.

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Post #475

How are things going with you, my good lady?

Post #480

Hi. I'm very tired. I've only slightly skimmed what's happened since the day has started. How are you? Have you had a good day? What'd you have for dinner?

Post #535 (formatted for space)

Oh nice. I was poisoned last night. I blame cuth. Someone halp.

Post #536

Scan for me, and I shall grant you the gift of life, and death to your enemies.

When Manasi wasn't dead the following day, Monty jumped to the very top of my antidote list after I read this post, despite asking for something that Manasi has already claimed she cannot provide. I still had Monty on my wolf-lean list, so I thought this was unlikely barring additional evidence.

Can you uh, Can you fix it plz

If I had such a capability I would consider it. However, as I have already stated, I have no abilities remaining.

El Barto appears to be feeling a tad bit guilty. If he does have an antidote, he is purposely misleading about his capability to heal. I give El Barto an outside chance that he did heal Manasi, even though he says here he can't.

For the record: El Barto alluding to the poisoning early today.

I'm noticing this just now, but I give Novice a slight scum lean if Barto turns out to be scum. I'll ISO novice later to see if this holds more weight.

No, no, my good sir; it is, quite more simply, that Manasi is scheduled to die at the end of Night Two, not Day one as she's claimed.
*SNIP*
I am glad that somebody noticed. Yes, I was trying to draw Manasi out.

My case against Champ

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I forgot this existed

This here was enough for El Barto to vote for Champ:

I'll tell you the story that I poisoned Manasi last night with a one-off ability. Now I am, for all intents and purposes, what the gaming populace knows as a ‘vanilla townie’. I find it extremely odd that Manasi did not immediately request for help.
*SNIP*
You leave me with no option but to Vote: Champ.

Is it wrong to village read novice for doing the post counts?

I'll just village read him

yes

Ok I'll make up a fake reason then

Champ looks very bad here, if you ask me. This adds another layer of my growing suspicion of Novice.

Day 1
6 votes: seireikhaan (Csargo, GeneralHankerchief, novice, Cuthillius, Choxorn, Raith Kemmler)
4 votes: Montmorency (autolycus, BSmith, Logic, SeveringViper)
3 votes: choxorn (Manasi, seireikhaan, Jabbz)
2 votes: GeneralHankerchief (El Barto, Sooh)
1 votes: Manasi (Champ)
1 votes: Severing Viper (Montmorency)

Day 2
5 votes: Raith Kemmler (Sooh, Montmorency, Logic, Manasi, GeneralHankerchief)
4 votes: choxorn (Csargo, novice, El Barto, SeveringViper)
1 votes: Montmorency (autolycus)
1 votes: El Barto (BSmith)


Day 3
3 votes: Autolycus (Csargo, SeveringViper, Montmorency)
3 votes: Montmorency (Zack, novice, Jabbz)
2 votes: Jabbz (El Barto, GeneralHankerchief)
1 votes: GeneralHankerchief (Logic)
1 votes: Champ (BSmith)
1 votes: Bsmith (autolycus)
1 votes: Logic (Champ)


Day 4
6 votes: SeveringViper (Zack, Logic, Csargo, El Barto, Manasi,
GeneralHankerchief)
4 votes: El Barto (Jabbz, novice, Montmorency, SeveringViper)
1 votes: Logic (Champ)


Day 5
7 votes: Csargo (Zack, GeneralHankerchief, El Barto, novice, Montmorency, Logic, Manasi)
1 votes: Zack (Csargo)
1 votes: Logic (Champ)
1 votes: El Barto (Jabbz)

And then, looking at the vote count, Champ has been tunneling me from D3, and from what I can tell, he did nothing on D2. His posts are sparse, and of little content. Either he's a very bad vanillager, or he's a wolf. I don't see an in-between.

But, the vote count also has me seriously call into question novice and GH.

Town Leans
Monty
Manasi
Null line
Jabbz
GeneralHankerchief
El Barto
Wolf line
Novice
Champ

I'm most comfortable Vote: Champ, but I am willing to consider others. Despite my earlier assessment of Monty, he looks to be the towniest remaining player.

[novice]

Logic, can you spell that out a bit more? Why does Champ look bad? Why am I scummy? What about the vote counts makes GH and me look bad?

[Logic]

Short version: Champ is super low activity, few posts of little content. Good way to hide. Calls novice town for the post counts, then is told that's a bad plan, then says he'll make up a reason to call you town.

Novice could be town, but if he were to flip scum, I'd almost bet the farm that Champ would flip scum as well.

[Montmorency]

That's kind of underwhelming, Logic.

I've mentioned before that I didn't heal Manasi; indeed, as soon as she claimed death by EOD on D2 I said:

Ah well, in that case I have no use for you.

My sincere condolences to your loved ones.

Other speculation you have offered on identity or even existence of a healer is simply unsupported and can't be relied upon.