Pokemon Nuzlocke FireRed Mafia [Concluded]

[Montmorency]

I was playing in the beginning, the mood all changed.
I've been chewed up and spit out and booed off stage.

Now I must face up to the truth I've known deep inside me all along: only I have the power to guide Town to salvation.

I'm not going to tell you that Viper was lock town, but he was clearly an awful choice for lynch that day. And so Barto got saved and one of our last great PRs was sacrificed in his stead. That Viper wagon was crawling with scum definite, likely all of them, so it's time to quit playing around. We have no other choice but to lynch GH or Barto today, and don't heed anyone who tells you otherwise.

Champ, I'm willing to let slide in all this commotion, but if I have wondered about Zack potential coasting, then Csargo has reprised the trend tenfold. I tolerate no more.

All of pure heart, arise and be distinguished.

Townie Squad assemble!

[Montmorency]

@novice @Jabbz

[Zack]

Vote: Csargo

[Zack]

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

No one fainted.

I didn't read anything else before making my vote.

Vote: Csargo

[Montmorency]

I know exactly what I meant. I'm not sure what you mean.

You didn't like what Viper was doing, so you 'went after' him. This culminated in you voting to lynch him. You didn't want to back down. But if you had held off on lynching him and instead tried again the next day, that wouldn't have been backing off. Dropping the case completely would have been backing off.

It was a bad case to lynch on D4, and recognizing that wouldn't have meant you had to back down.

Now please explain what you said here.

I didn't read anything else before making my vote.

[Zack]

You didn't like what Viper was doing, so you 'went after' him. This culminated in you voting to lynch him. You didn't want to back down. But if you had held off on lynching him and instead tried again the next day, that wouldn't have been backing off. Dropping the case completely would have been backing off.

It was a bad case to lynch on D4, and recognizing that wouldn't have meant you had to back down.

I am done responding to your non sequiturs. If you want to discuss something sensibly, let me know.

[Montmorency]

I am done responding to your non sequiturs. If you want to discuss something sensibly, let me know.

I imagine you can explain one thing in a sentence. It's what you would have wanted from Viper. If you don't, I'll just have to dog you about it all day. Your choice.

[Zack]

ANNOUNCING ANY BLOCKS OR OTHER KILL-STOPPING ACTIONS LAST NIGHT WOULD BE HELPFUL IN THE LYNCH

"Hmm... I said this in big capital letters, then Zack immediately responded with something seemingly cryptic. Then GH latched onto it in sort of an odd way. What could it possibly mean?"

[Montmorency]

"Hmm... I said this in big capital letters, then Zack immediately responded with something seemingly cryptic. Then GH latched onto it in sort of an odd way. What could it possibly mean?"

Still not following you.

Anyway, interesting that Barto didn't claim this post early D1 to be breadcrumbing:

Look, you don't need to be as poisonous as an Arbok.

[Zack]

Still not following you.

Anyway, interesting that Barto didn't claim this post early D1 to be breadcrumbing:

Okay, you have to be pulling my leg now lol.

[GeneralHankerchief]

I think Monty has more self-respect than to use this tactic here if he's a partner?

Note: read subject to change without warning

[Csargo]

Vote: Csargo

I roleblocked Zack last night.

Vote:Zack

[Zack]

I roleblocked Zack last night.

Vote:Zack

Was wondering if you would go thunderdome​ or lolcat, glad you chose the former!

[Montmorency]

Sounds good enough for me. Csargo dies if Zack flips town anyway.

Interesting finding about Zack: sometimes, he believes that "flagrant bad townie" behavior is more likely to be town than scum. It's not clear what overrode this thought in the Viper lynch.

Also Zack, would you mind explaining what it was that you weren't reading when you voted Csargo after day began?

I didn't read anything else before making my vote.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Also Zack, would you mind explaining what it was that you weren't reading when you voted Csargo after day began?

It seems pretty obvious?

You really believe Csargo?

[Zack]

I'm not going to tell you that Viper was lock town, but he was clearly an awful choice for lynch that day.

1. Play super aggressively early. Drastic drop off in solving and activity, tone shifts to apologetic and woe is me for previous mislynches. Instead of trying to get back into it and solve, be a spiteful ass and do nothing but tunnel/omgus Zack for no good reason.
2. Counterclaim some random 1x block claim when you're a powerful PR. Eventually use the 1x block part of your role on someone you call a strong town read. Never claim your role when you are under lynch pressure.

Personally, not how I would expect a villager to ever play that role.

[Zack]

Champ, I'm willing to let slide in all this commotion, but if I have wondered about Zack potential coasting, then Csargo has reprised the trend tenfold. I tolerate no more.

Accusing me of coasting hasn't made sense at any point.

And do you realize how that Autolycus wagon looks if Csargo flips scum?

[Montmorency]

1. Play super aggressively early. Drastic drop off in solving and activity, tone shifts to apologetic and woe is me for previous mislynches. Instead of trying to get back into it and solve, be a spiteful ass and do nothing but tunnel/omgus Zack for no good reason.
2. Counterclaim some random 1x block claim when you're a powerful PR. Eventually use the 1x block part of your role on someone you call a strong town read. Never claim your role when you are under lynch pressure.

Personally, not how I would expect a villager to ever play that role.

Novice took a good approach to the question.

Regarding Zack, the case on Monty yesterday and on Viper today is the kind of case I like to pursue myself, and you can really get going picking apart the responses of the accused. I've mislynched many people with cases like this though. Some people just aren't good at defending even when town, or are too stubborn, or fail to see problems with their own play. I guess what I'm saying is that if Monty and Viper are town, which I find very possible, we're really making things easy for scum!Zack, and I'm a bit concerned that he just keeps pushing instead of seeing things from all sides.

Accusing me of coasting hasn't made sense at any point.

And do you realize how that Autolycus wagon looks if Csargo flips scum?

You after half-time yesterday: I have an active fella hostile to me set up to swing? Well, my work here is done.

It's certainly concerning to me how you back off me when you see that I'm not a threat.

How about you let me lynch scum? We have today, and tomorrow is LYLO at 5T-3M (assuming 1 nightkill).

E.g. my top team is GH-Barto-Csargo, Champ wildcard. Manasi and Logic are null, but at some point have to be factored into the combinations. I can't subscribe to lynching Csargo just because that's the only place we overlap.


ANNOUNCING ANY BLOCKS OR OTHER KILL-STOPPING ACTIONS LAST NIGHT WOULD BE HELPFUL IN THE LYNCH

[Zack]

Novice took a good approach to the question.

If I'm town, why should I back down if someone is doing a poor job responding to me? That's not a good approach, it's an approach which contorts the evidence to match the accusation.

You after half-time yesterday: I have an active fella hostile to me set up to swing? Well, my work here is done.

It's certainly concerning to me how you back off me when you see that I'm not a threat.

Then stop being a narcissist. Unlike you apparently, I don't restrict myself to pushing the exact same thing the entire game.

How about you let me lynch scum? We have today, and tomorrow is LYLO at 5T-3M (assuming 1 nightkill).

E.g. my top team is GH-Barto-Csargo, Champ wildcard. Manasi and Logic are null, but at some point have to be factored into the combinations. I can't subscribe to lynching Csargo just because that's the only place we overlap.

You didn't answer my question.

[Montmorency]

I didn't read anything else before making my vote.

What else was there of importance to read? Are you referring to other players'/Csargo's posts on D3?

If I'm town, why should I back down if someone is doing a poor job responding to me? That's not a good approach, it's an approach which contorts the evidence to match the accusation.

Not voting to lynch isn't the same as backing down, since the gratuitousness of his act was townie enough to hold off.

You didn't answer my question.

Csargo flipping scum? He's my partner, then? Who's the #3? I'd worry more about GH flipping town, since although Csargo and Barto were voting Choxorn to the end D2, GH's change was what saved him/you.

[Zack]

What else was there of importance to read? Are you referring to other players'/Csargo's posts on D3?

The art of subtlety is lost on some, I suppose. Not that I was even being remotely subtle.

Not voting to lynch isn't the same as backing down, since the gratuitousness of his act was townie enough to hold off.

What?

Csargo flipping scum? He's my partner, then? Who's the #3? I'd worry more about GH flipping town, since although Csargo and Barto were voting Choxorn to the end D2, GH's change was what saved him/you.

If he's not your partner, then why so insistent to lynch auto over you? I don't care about the #3, that's a question wolves ask to defend themselves. I don't have to construct an entire team to call someone a wolf.

I'm not calling GH a wolf, and never have really, so if you're trying to call me a hypocrite (?) then it doesn't fit.

[Zack]

The art of subtlety is lost on some, I suppose. Not that I was even being remotely subtle.


What?


If he's not your partner (but still a wolf), then why so insistent to lynch auto over you? I don't care about the #3, that's a question wolves ask to defend themselves. I don't have to construct an entire team to call someone a wolf.

I'm not calling GH a wolf, and never have really, so if you're trying to call me a hypocrite (?) then it doesn't fit.

emphasis mine

[Montmorency]

The art of subtlety is lost on some, I suppose. Not that I was even being remotely subtle.

You could have explained yourself in the same number of words. Take this opportunity to do so.

What?

You implied that not lynching Viper would have been equivalent to backing off him. That's wrong, and it's a dodge.

If he's not your partner, then why so insistent to lynch auto over you? I don't care about the #3, that's a question wolves ask to defend themselves. I don't have to construct an entire team to call someone a wolf.

That's a possibility, but the way you constructed the question is bad and you should recognize that. The two items need not be related. Viper was equally insistent, and he was town. Town players have ideas on who should be lynched, and prefer some lynches over others.

I'm not calling GH a wolf, and never have really, so if you're trying to call me a hypocrite (?) then it doesn't fit.

It's not about what you said, but of what GH did. All my top suspects voted you, but GH went off you and that's the only reason you are here. So if GH flips town, you look better, while if he flips scum, you look worse. This is a parallelism to your Csargo connection.

[Jabbz]

All reads subject to change after iso reads in the upcoming day, but this is where I view things currently.

Lock Town
Logic

Likely Town
Manasi

Unsure in no particular order
Novice
Csargo
Zack choxorn

Possible Scum
Champ
Montmorency

Scum, El Barto more sure than GHC
GeneralHankerchief
El Barto

[Champ]

All reads subject to change after iso reads in the upcoming day, but this is where I view things currently.

Lock Town
Logic

Likely Town
Manasi

Unsure in no particular order
Novice
Csargo
Zack choxorn

Possible Scum
Champ
Montmorency

Scum, El Barto more sure than GHC
GeneralHankerchief
El Barto

what
this is terrible
Vote: Logic