Pokemon Nuzlocke FireRed Mafia [Concluded]

[Montmorency]

I find myself in a weird position here. I really dislike the play El Barto has been conducting throughout this game. At the same time however I've spent the last 3 games trying to identify the vibe I'm getting from Monty, and I think I finally pinned it down. He reminds me of a slick used car salesman this game. Always trying to sell, using whatever works. I don't know if that makes me think he is scum, but it makes me think he isn't town, so perhaps a 3rd party, perhaps a 3rd party with a lynch goal.

Haven't I been more direct, forthcoming, and consistent than a used-car salesman? I don't think I've been flexible enough to use "whatever works" - I'm not in any alignment.

GH would already be lynched otherwise.

Third party has already flipped, and a balanced game would have two more Mafia - not one or two Mafia and one more non-killing third party.

Very well. (see below)



I have said that I am willing to be lynched in order to clear the air.

So, since I am town, we agree to vote:Logic?

But meanwhile, Monty… if I were to be revealed as scum, that would be good for Jabbz and Logic. If I were to be revealed as town, that would be bad for Logic. What of Jabbz? Inversely, what of Champ?

If you were town, there would be no impact on Jabbz. I have liked Jabbz as town since this post D3, and his EOD derp:

Doing my best but I overestimated the amount of time I had free, especially with this being memorial day weekend. Spent the morning with a VFW group putting flags on vet graves. Good times I know.

All I can say at the moment is that I find the voting on GHC to be odd, people make mistakes and day 1 is almost guaranteed for those. His defense does ruffle my senses a bit, he seems to be trying far to hard to be dismissive rather than actually defend himself, but then again his current travel situation could definitely justify that. I do however find his making my absence somehow a personal focus on him, rather that me just being busy. That really makes me feel like he's going after low hanging fruit.

I still stand by thinking that Logic is town for my aforementioned reasons.

I'm liking Severing more now than I did before, mostly because I thought he was Zack in hiding, now that is clearly not the case I find my reads to be substantially different likely because they were tinged by how they sounded compared to what I expected.

Zack is null, and I didn't view choxorn's case as overly substantial. My vote on Zack was purely a joke, anyone who knows about our past interaction wouldn't view that oddly I don't think.

Most of the rest I quite frankly haven't put enough time into. I would honestly be down to lynch GHC, but I feel that it is too possible the only reason he is coming across wrong is because he simply doesn't have the time to devote, so I'd be more inclined to want to see him be on the list tomorrow when he can defend himself.

I feel somewhat hypocritical supporting lynching a lurker, but in my defense I am contributing more than a few of the others, and I think that's the direction I'd head, supporting a group consensus on the matter as long as said consensus isn't myself.

There would also be no information toward Champ. I believe his play is difficult precisely because it makes it hard to tie him to interactions.

[Manasi]

I tried really hard to read everything I missed but can't bring myself to make a huge post about anything.

After that, I do think that Champ/GH/Novice are in my strong town that will probably not change for this phase at all, maybe even tomorrow.

I would like to know, however, if someone has more of an idea as to why Zack's read on Monty flipped from mafia to town. Something about his reaction to a claim? I could be paraphrasing someone else's post as well. I read everything but not sure how much I actually absorbed.

Not sure how I feel about a Logic lynch today at all.

Would much prefer Monty/Barto, but I'm willing to follow the dead in his flipped read if someone can help me understand it.

[El Barto]

Haven't I been more direct, forthcoming, and consistent than a used-car salesman? I don't think I've been flexible enough to use "whatever works" - I'm not in any alignment.

GH would already be lynched otherwise.

Third party has already flipped, and a balanced game would have two more Mafia - not one or two Mafia and one more non-killing third party.

The bolded sections are perplexing.

If you were town, there would be no impact on Jabbz. I have liked Jabbz as town since this post D3, and his EOD derp:



There would also be no information toward Champ. I believe his play is difficult precisely because it makes it hard to tie him to interactions.

The interactions of the current day leave me with the impression that Champ and Logic are of opposite alignments, in other words, one of them is an innocent and the other is a mafioso.

So, half of Jabbz's innocence is the one post and the rest is what is commonly known as a ‘derp-clear’? He also says

>If he is town, I'm wrong, you will lynch me, and town will lose, but I'm fairly certain I'm not wrong.

A statement with which I really am not quite comfortable. Why lay down the groundwork towards tomorrow's defence? It is almost as if he knew something we did not.

I tried really hard to read everything I missed but can't bring myself to make a huge post about anything.

After that, I do think that Champ/GH/Novice are in my strong town that will probably not change for this phase at all, maybe even tomorrow.

I would like to know, however, if someone has more of an idea as to why Zack's read on Monty flipped from mafia to town. Something about his reaction to a claim? I could be paraphrasing someone else's post as well. I read everything but not sure how much I actually absorbed.

Not sure how I feel about a Logic lynch today at all.

Would much prefer Monty/Barto, but I'm willing to follow the dead in his flipped read if someone can help me understand it.

If you do not care enough about the game to try and contribute, that is simply shameful. I feel no regret now towards having attempted your removal.

Leaving that aside, could you at least a) make up your mind on Logic and b) say why it's ‘Monty/Barto’, in your own words? Do notice that I am not promoting a counter-lynch on my former mafia partner.

[Champ]

Novice is never wolf

[Logic]

Novice is never wolf

This is an inherently unhelpful statement.

Previous games have no bearing in role assignment for this one. Furthermore, I doubt the veracity of your claim.

[Champ]

This is an inherently unhelpful statement.

Previous games have no bearing in role assignment for this one. Furthermore, I doubt the veracity of your claim.

no.

[El Barto]

Novice is never wolf

This is an inherently unhelpful statement.

Previous games have no bearing in role assignment for this one. Furthermore, I doubt the veracity of your claim.

I interpret Champ's statement as meaning that he doesn't see novice being a member of the mafia team under any circumstances, based on his public behaviour this game. Maybe he could confirm or deny this.

I was suggesting that looking for additional third parties, especially non-killing third parties (unless you construct a fairly convoluted and unverifiable picture of night events), is the wrong idea for our circumstances when you can't otherwise peg someone as Mafia.

Ah. I concur. Thanks for clarifying.

Logic looking bad does not make Champ look good, but Logic looking good does make Champ look worse.

Ah-ha, do go on. To my eye, there is a high probability that one of Champ and Logic is a mafioso.

What are you referring to from Jabbz, this?

The interactions of the current day leave me with the impression that Champ and Logic are of opposite alignments, in other words, one of them is an innocent and the other is a mafioso.

So, half of Jabbz's innocence is the one post and the rest is what is commonly known as a ‘derp-clear’? He also says

>If he is town, I'm wrong, you will lynch me, and town will lose, but I'm fairly certain I'm not wrong.

A statement with which I really am not quite comfortable. Why lay down the groundwork towards tomorrow's defence? It is almost as if he knew something we did not.

He doesn't reference someone else's flip, so I assume that isn't it...

The text in green is the quote from Jabbz I was referencing.

Zack implicitly claimed to have blocked Csargo's kill, and Monty just didn't get that that's what Zack was doing and kept questioning what Zack was doing. My feeling, and I think this was what Zack felt also, was that scum wouldn't act that way in that situation. They would understand what Zack's vote was about and they would be trying to distance themselves from Csargo. They would not be making Zack spoonfeed them his claim. In fact, read GH's reaction to see a likely scum reaction.

The very last sentence does sound interesting. Do go on.

[Montmorency]

The bolded sections are perplexing.

I was suggesting that looking for additional third parties, especially non-killing third parties (unless you construct a fairly convoluted and unverifiable picture of night events), is the wrong idea for our circumstances when you can't otherwise peg someone as Mafia.

The interactions of the current day leave me with the impression that Champ and Logic are of opposite alignments, in other words, one of them is an innocent and the other is a mafioso.

So, half of Jabbz's innocence is the one post and the rest is what is commonly known as a ‘derp-clear’? He also says

>If he is town, I'm wrong, you will lynch me, and town will lose, but I'm fairly certain I'm not wrong.

A statement with which I really am not quite comfortable. Why lay down the groundwork towards tomorrow's defence? It is almost as if he knew something we did not.

Logic looking bad does not make Champ look good, but Logic looking good does make Champ look worse.

What are you referring to from Jabbz, this?

Oh and in case it was missed earlier, I am town and currently have no abilities, nor did I start with any or take any actions at night to this point, so losing me with my time constraints isn't exactly a huge loss to town.

He doesn't reference someone else's flip, so I assume that isn't it...

[novice]

I would like to know, however, if someone has more of an idea as to why Zack's read on Monty flipped from mafia to town. Something about his reaction to a claim? I could be paraphrasing someone else's post as well. I read everything but not sure how much I actually absorbed.

Zack implicitly claimed to have blocked Csargo's kill, and Monty just didn't get that that's what Zack was doing and kept questioning what Zack was doing. My feeling, and I think this was what Zack felt also, was that scum wouldn't act that way in that situation. They would understand what Zack's vote was about and they would be trying to distance themselves from Csargo. They would not be making Zack spoonfeed them his claim. In fact, read GH's reaction to see a likely scum reaction.

[Manasi]

Zack implicitly claimed to have blocked Csargo's kill, and Monty just didn't get that that's what Zack was doing and kept questioning what Zack was doing. My feeling, and I think this was what Zack felt also, was that scum wouldn't act that way in that situation. They would understand what Zack's vote was about and they would be trying to distance themselves from Csargo. They would not be making Zack spoonfeed them his claim. In fact, read GH's reaction to see a likely scum reaction.

Oh true okay. Doesn't seem like something that the ever-so-eloquent Monty would fabricate.

Okokokok.

I don;t think GH was that bad, think he's been pushing on csargo p lightly for last day or two

/shrug




Also El Barto I care about the game it was just hard for me to come off of sleeping 3hrs/night and working for the other hours in the day for 4 days in a row then driving 5 hours home and diving right back into the game. I'm trying and rpobably won't be 100% until tomorrow (when I'm starting a job) so I'll be active but again it'll be in these bursts.

[novice]

I tried really hard to read everything I missed but can't bring myself to make a huge post about anything.

After that, I do think that Champ/GH/Novice are in my strong town that will probably not change for this phase at all, maybe even tomorrow.

Manasi, why is Champ strong town for you?