Page 1 of 6 12345 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 30 of 162

Thread: "Explosion" in Manchester

  1. #1
    Voluntary Suspension Voluntary Suspension Philippus Flavius Homovallumus's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Location
    Isca
    Posts
    13,477

    Default "Explosion" in Manchester

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...ester-40007886

    Just to be contrary I'm going to say I think this is an IRA splinter group.

    Details to follow.
    "If it wears trousers generally I don't pay attention."

    [IMG]https://img197.imageshack.us/img197/4917/logoromans23pd.jpg[/IMG]

  2. #2

    Default Re: "Explosion" in Manchester

    The Arab-Islamic American Summit had actually concluded that if these events persist in the EU, certain EU states will be labeled a haven for terrorists. I think that is fair.

    They have a serious terrorist problem. Sadly there don't seem to be any countermeasures on the EU states' part to address their growing culture of terrorism.
    Last edited by AE Bravo; 05-23-2017 at 01:08.

  3. #3
    Headless Senior Member Pannonian's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Posts
    7,586

    Default Re: "Explosion" in Manchester

    Suggestions that it's a nail bomb in the foyer, set off as concert goers were leaving. Shrapnel like wounds being treated. Younger audience demographic.

  4. #4
    Old Town Road Senior Member Strike For The South's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    Between Louis' sheets
    Posts
    10,369

    Default Re: "Explosion" in Manchester

    New normal
    There, but for the grace of God, goes John Bradford

    My aim, then, was to whip the rebels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.

    I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, for vengeance, for desolation.

    Member thankful for this post:



  5. #5

    Default Re: "Explosion" in Manchester

    http://www.rollingstone.com/music/ne...osions-w483720
    Ariana Grande Concert Ends With Reported Explosions, 'Multiple Fatalities'

    Greater Manchester Police confirm fatalities, others injured at Manchester Arena

    Wooooo!!!

  6. #6
    Member Member Greyblades's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2009
    Location
    UK
    Posts
    8,408
    Blog Entries
    2

    Default Re: "Explosion" in Manchester

    Another lead brick added to the camel's back.
    Being better than the worst does not inherently make you good. But being better than the rest lets you brag.


    Quote Originally Posted by Strike For The South View Post
    Don't be scared that you don't freak out. Be scared when you don't care about freaking out
    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

  7. #7
    Praefectus Fabrum Senior Member Anime BlackJack Champion, Flash Poker Champion, Word Up Champion, Shape Game Champion, Snake Shooter Champion, Fishwater Challenge Champion, Rocket Racer MX Champion, Jukebox Hero Champion, My House Is Bigger Than Your House Champion, Funky Pong Champion, Cutie Quake Champion, Fling The Cow Champion, Tiger Punch Champion, Virus Champion, Solitaire Champion, Worm Race Champion, Rope Walker Champion, Penguin Pass Champion, Skate Park Champion, Watch Out Champion, Lawn Pac Champion, Weapons Of Mass Destruction Champion, Skate Boarder Champion, Lane Bowling Champion, Bugz Champion, Makai Grand Prix 2 Champion, White Van Man Champion, Parachute Panic Champion, BlackJack Champion, Stans Ski Jumping Champion, Smaugs Treasure Champion, Sofa Longjump Champion Seamus Fermanagh's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    Latibulm mali regis in muris.
    Posts
    11,300

    Default Re: "Explosion" in Manchester

    Reuters noting 19 dead, 50+ injured. Prayers for them and for their families.
    "The only way that has ever been discovered to have a lot of people cooperate together voluntarily is through the free market. And that's why it's so essential to preserving individual freedom.” -- Milton Friedman

    "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." -- H. L. Mencken

  8. #8
    master of the pwniverse Member Fragony's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2003
    Location
    The EUSSR
    Posts
    30,680

    Default Re: "Explosion" in Manchester

    Just another day, rip victims

  9. #9
    Member Member Crandar's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2014
    Location
    Alpine Subtundra
    Posts
    843

    Default Re: "Explosion" in Manchester

    Rest in peace to the victims of this horrible attack.

    Some interesting tweets of an account that has been deleted:
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAeC9IxXkAAZBxg.jpg
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAeC9I2XoAEEzTP.jpg

    However, because I don't know the timezone, I am not sure if it's the perpetrator advertising himself or an ISIS fanboy minutes after the attack.

  10. #10
    Master of Few Words Senior Member KukriKhan's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2001
    Posts
    10,415

    Default Re: "Explosion" in Manchester

    21 50
    Be well. Do good. Keep in touch.

  11. #11
    master of the pwniverse Member Fragony's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2003
    Location
    The EUSSR
    Posts
    30,680

    Default Re: "Explosion" in Manchester

    Deatholl rised. There must be someting not quite right with me I would like myself better if these things shocked me but I don't feel anything I simply don't care, maybe even gloating if I am to be honest with myself, that's twisted, I know. But I got that 'toldyouso' thingie
    Last edited by Fragony; 05-23-2017 at 14:18.

  12. #12
    Headless Senior Member Pannonian's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Posts
    7,586

    Default Re: "Explosion" in Manchester

    Two named victims so far. An 18 year old and an 8 year old, both girls. Considering the concert and footage I've seen of the audience, this is likely to be the demographic of the victims.

  13. #13
    master of the pwniverse Member Fragony's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2003
    Location
    The EUSSR
    Posts
    30,680

    Default Re: "Explosion" in Manchester

    Quote Originally Posted by Pannonian View Post
    Two named victims so far. An 18 year old and an 8 year old, both girls. Considering the concert and footage I've seen of the audience, this is likely to be the demographic of the victims.
    Saw the pics and vids. I see a silver-lining these assholes don't know how to upset us anymore. This was really low, anything other than something really big is going to be meh
    Last edited by Fragony; 05-23-2017 at 14:25.

  14. #14
    Horse Archer Senior Member Sarmatian's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    Novi Sad, Serbia
    Posts
    4,306

    Default Re: "Explosion" in Manchester

    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony View Post
    But I got that 'toldyouso' thingie
    Really? You figured out that a problem which underlying issues haven't been resolved is going to persist? You're a genius. You can safely predict that there's going to be more in the future. Bank a few more toldyousos.

  15. #15

    Default Re: "Explosion" in Manchester

    I feel sorry for the younger generation. They don't remember a time before 9-11 when they didn't have to worry about terrorism. They became desensitized. A young guy I know thought that this has always been happening.
    Last edited by Shaka_Khan; 05-23-2017 at 14:37.
    Wooooo!!!

  16. #16
    master of the pwniverse Member Fragony's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2003
    Location
    The EUSSR
    Posts
    30,680

    Default Re: "Explosion" in Manchester

    Quote Originally Posted by Sarmatian View Post
    Really? You figured out that a problem which underlying issues haven't been resolved is going to persist? You're a genius. You can safely predict that there's going to be more in the future. Bank a few more toldyousos.
    I am totally aware that I said something horrible, you don't need to point out how flawed my thoughts can be, I am smart enough to know that by myself, I don't need you for that kthx. At least I question my thoughts and can completily change my mind, that's more than most do
    Last edited by Fragony; 05-23-2017 at 14:40.

  17. #17
    Voluntary Suspension Voluntary Suspension Philippus Flavius Homovallumus's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Location
    Isca
    Posts
    13,477

    Default Re: "Explosion" in Manchester

    Quote Originally Posted by Pannonian View Post
    Two named victims so far. An 18 year old and an 8 year old, both girls. Considering the concert and footage I've seen of the audience, this is likely to be the demographic of the victims.
    I hadn't considered that, really. There's a special place in hell for whoever did this.
    "If it wears trousers generally I don't pay attention."

    [IMG]https://img197.imageshack.us/img197/4917/logoromans23pd.jpg[/IMG]

  18. #18

    Default Re: "Explosion" in Manchester

    Quote Originally Posted by Philippus Flavius Homovallumus View Post
    I hadn't considered that, really. There's a special place in hell for whoever did this.
    Isn't every place in Hell a special one? Seriously.
    Vitiate Man.

    History repeats the old conceits
    The glib replies, the same defeats


    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

    Member thankful for this post:



  19. #19
    Headless Senior Member Pannonian's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Posts
    7,586

    Default Re: "Explosion" in Manchester

    Another second gen, whose parents were refugees from Qaddafi.

  20. #20
    master of the pwniverse Member Fragony's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2003
    Location
    The EUSSR
    Posts
    30,680

    Default Re: "Explosion" in Manchester

    Quote Originally Posted by Philippus Flavius Homovallumus View Post
    I hadn't considered that, really. There's a special place in hell for whoever did this.
    Not in the mind of those who did this, heaven awaits

  21. #21
    Praefectus Fabrum Senior Member Anime BlackJack Champion, Flash Poker Champion, Word Up Champion, Shape Game Champion, Snake Shooter Champion, Fishwater Challenge Champion, Rocket Racer MX Champion, Jukebox Hero Champion, My House Is Bigger Than Your House Champion, Funky Pong Champion, Cutie Quake Champion, Fling The Cow Champion, Tiger Punch Champion, Virus Champion, Solitaire Champion, Worm Race Champion, Rope Walker Champion, Penguin Pass Champion, Skate Park Champion, Watch Out Champion, Lawn Pac Champion, Weapons Of Mass Destruction Champion, Skate Boarder Champion, Lane Bowling Champion, Bugz Champion, Makai Grand Prix 2 Champion, White Van Man Champion, Parachute Panic Champion, BlackJack Champion, Stans Ski Jumping Champion, Smaugs Treasure Champion, Sofa Longjump Champion Seamus Fermanagh's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    Latibulm mali regis in muris.
    Posts
    11,300

    Default Re: "Explosion" in Manchester

    Regrettably, guided munitions have no better track record at eradicating an idea than does any other weapon system. Were it so, this war would have been won years ago.


    There is little that can be done to stop such atrocities by Western society. Consider some of the options...

    1) Enact a security apparatus equivalent to the old "Sword and Shield" boys from the CCCP. At that level of police state pervasiveness, terrorism is more or less completely suppressed. Of course, you do have to punt pretty much all of Western Culture and ethics.

    2) Conduct a war that systematically eliminates all potential sources of Muslim radicalization. This would look very much like a pogrom internally and would feature a massive Crusade against most, then all, of the Islamic world. This would work, though it would bankrupt the West AND do nearly as much damage culturally as option 1. NOTE: despite the best efforts of some modern states on analogous paths, actually wiping out an ethnos or fidos, has not occurred. Makes complete success unlikely here.

    2b) This is halfway, militarily, between 2 & 3 with the military not 'crusading' against the Muslim world but destroying 2-4 of the biggest terror supporting states and then rebuilding their cultures from the ground up with 40+ year state-building occupation efforts. This is way expensive as well, though less so than 2) and also less culturally debilitating than 2). It does, however, take the longest of the "active" options.

    3) Go on pretty much as we are, using some military strikes and a lot of police work/financial tracking/computer interdiction to undercut the largest support systems and players in the terrorist camp. Since this will, as it has, result I some civilian Muslim deaths on an ongoing basis, the radicalization factor cannot be eliminated by Western Action. This kind of thing becomes our expensive "new normal," as noted in a number of posts above.

    4) Stop military strikes against Islamic nations unless attacked by the conventional forces of such a nation. Essentially this is a cheaper version of #3, since the military costs are drawn down. This probably yields a slight decrease in radicalization, but will undercut some of the efforts to strike at the terror support base. The ant--terror effort becomes more or less strictly a police effort in this approach.

    5) Stop any efforts beyond normal policing to counter terrorism domestically and broadcast news of terror events to the same depth and extent associated with large traffic accidents in a metro area. No military efforts except direct defense as noted in 4) above. Domestic radicalization will decrease, particularly given limited media exposure, though casualties will increase in the short term. Devote the funds that would have be spent on the war on terror to domestic transportation and health system improvements which should net a greater increase in lives saved than those few lost to terror attacks.

    6) Combine the domestic elements of 5) above with a withdrawal of all Western military forces from anywhere in the Middle East, North Africa, or Central Asia. In addition, all economic support for and military sales to Israel would cease. Allow all Muslim states to sort our internal affairs as they see fit and without influence from the West. This then gives China and the Russians good markets for their weapons, aiding their economies and minimizes cultural clashes between the West and Islam in areas traditionally viewed as Islamic. Should result in the absolute minimum levels possible of radicalization both domestically and from international sources. Involves the acceptance of a greatly decreased political role in affairs for a substantial portion of the World by the West. We'd have to concentrate our efforts elsewhere.

    7) Your option? Please describe.


    Which option do you think best?

    **Regardless, in all of the options noted, the real cessation of the terrorist threat will come when the bulk of Islam actively begins to abhor, abjure, and oppose such tools for spreading the faith. The real long term solution can only come from there.
    Last edited by Seamus Fermanagh; 05-23-2017 at 19:04.
    "The only way that has ever been discovered to have a lot of people cooperate together voluntarily is through the free market. And that's why it's so essential to preserving individual freedom.” -- Milton Friedman

    "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." -- H. L. Mencken

  22. #22
    master of the pwniverse Member Fragony's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2003
    Location
    The EUSSR
    Posts
    30,680

    Default Re: "Explosion" in Manchester

    There is nothing we can do about this beyond accepting that these things happen and don't get all that upset about it. The only really thing that would work is removing all muslims but only an idiot would want to do that. Not making it worse and REALLY thinking over immigration-policies thank you very much
    Last edited by Fragony; 05-23-2017 at 20:09.

  23. #23
    Mr Self Important Senior Member Beskar's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    Albion
    Posts
    15,924
    Blog Entries
    1

    Default Re: "Explosion" in Manchester

    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony View Post
    There is nothing we can do about this beyond accepting that these things happen and don't get all that upset about it. The only really thing that would work is removing all muslims but only an idiot would want to do that. Not making it worse and REALLY thinking over immigration-policies thank you very much
    Removing all Muslims due to less than 1% having the potential of becoming radicals?
    Days since the Apocalypse began
    "We are living in space-age times but there's too many of us thinking with stone-age minds" | How to spot a Humanist
    "Men of Quality do not fear Equality." | "Belief doesn't change facts. Facts, if you are reasonable, should change your beliefs."

  24. #24
    Headless Senior Member Pannonian's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Posts
    7,586

    Default Re: "Explosion" in Manchester

    Quote Originally Posted by Beskar View Post
    Removing all Muslims due to less than 1% having the potential of becoming radicals?
    So is it a problem, and if so, how do you solve it? Education doesn't seem to be the solution, as it's the younger generation that's radicalising (compare with Pakistan, where each successive generation has become more extreme).

  25. #25
    master of the pwniverse Member Fragony's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2003
    Location
    The EUSSR
    Posts
    30,680

    Default Re: "Explosion" in Manchester

    Quote Originally Posted by Beskar View Post
    Removing all Muslims due to less than 1% having the potential of becoming radicals?
    Didn't I make it clear that I find that an idiotic idea, you must have missed that

  26. #26
    Horse Archer Senior Member Sarmatian's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    Novi Sad, Serbia
    Posts
    4,306

    Default Re: "Explosion" in Manchester

    Quote Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh View Post

    **Regardless, in all of the options noted, the real cessation of the terrorist threat will come when the bulk of Islam actively begins to abhor, abjure, and oppose such tools for spreading the faith. The real long term solution can only come from there.
    The funny thing is, the bulk of Islam already does that, but you don't need the bulk of Islam to find two religious fanatics who are easy to brainwash and persuade them to drive a lorry into a crowd. It's never gonna be perfect. Like that guy who shot all those blacks in a church a year or so ago. No one can say that white males in USA are oppressed in any way, but that doesn't mean one idiot won't feel like that.

    The last several attacks actually show that previous security measures did yield some results. Terrorist groups are finding it harder to send people from Muslim countries, they have to rely on unhappy second generation immigrants. It's easier now as European economies are still feeling the recession to a greater or lesser extent. If an individual is feeling let down by society, blaming "them others" and "going back to the ways of our forefathers" feels logical, as evident by the growing popularity of conservative parties across the western world.
    They are avoiding airports and using more rudimentary (but arguably not less effective) methods to spread terror.

    I do think that Muslim organizations, whether religious or civic, have been under utilized. They could be a great way of passing the message that terrorism is contrary to the Islamic principles. That could go a long way of getting those disgruntled, second generation Muslims to express their rage in a different way, even into something productive. You get extra funding but you have to actively support/organize anti terrorist campaigns on a regular basis.

    It boils down to 3 main ways:
    1) remove the incentive (unlikely, or at least unlikely to do it in a complete way)
    2) cut off their funding
    3) limit their recruiting possibilities

  27. #27
    Mr Self Important Senior Member Beskar's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    Albion
    Posts
    15,924
    Blog Entries
    1

    Default Re: "Explosion" in Manchester

    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony View Post
    Didn't I make it clear that I find that an idiotic idea, you must have missed that
    My fault, I thought you were being sarcastic/ironic with the remark.
    Days since the Apocalypse began
    "We are living in space-age times but there's too many of us thinking with stone-age minds" | How to spot a Humanist
    "Men of Quality do not fear Equality." | "Belief doesn't change facts. Facts, if you are reasonable, should change your beliefs."

  28. #28
    master of the pwniverse Member Fragony's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2003
    Location
    The EUSSR
    Posts
    30,680

    Default Re: "Explosion" in Manchester

    Removing incentive what a joke, maybe they are simply hostile, it's a religion they don't need an incentive.

    @the serb
    Last edited by Fragony; 05-23-2017 at 21:17.

  29. #29
    master of the pwniverse Member Fragony's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2003
    Location
    The EUSSR
    Posts
    30,680

    Default Re: "Explosion" in Manchester

    Quote Originally Posted by Beskar View Post
    My fault, I thought you were being sarcastic/ironic with the remark.
    solemn voice

    I forgive you, I have this habit of being cryptic
    Last edited by Fragony; 05-23-2017 at 21:23.

  30. #30
    Voluntary Suspension Voluntary Suspension Philippus Flavius Homovallumus's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Location
    Isca
    Posts
    13,477

    Default Re: "Explosion" in Manchester

    Quote Originally Posted by Montmorency View Post
    Isn't every place in Hell a special one? Seriously.
    In Dante's Inferno some are more special than others.

    The point, of course, is that this bastard was especially bad.
    "If it wears trousers generally I don't pay attention."

    [IMG]https://img197.imageshack.us/img197/4917/logoromans23pd.jpg[/IMG]

Page 1 of 6 12345 ... LastLast

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
Single Sign On provided by vBSSO