"Explosion" in Manchester

[Pannonian]

Suggestions that it's a nail bomb in the foyer, set off as concert goers were leaving. Shrapnel like wounds being treated. Younger audience demographic.

[Strike For The South]

New normal

[Shaka_Khan]

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/ne...osions-w483720

Ariana Grande Concert Ends With Reported Explosions, 'Multiple Fatalities'

Greater Manchester Police confirm fatalities, others injured at Manchester Arena

[Greyblades]

Another lead brick added to the camel's back.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Reuters noting 19 dead, 50+ injured. Prayers for them and for their families.

[Fragony]

Just another day, rip victims

[Crandar]

Rest in peace to the victims of this horrible attack.

Some interesting tweets of an account that has been deleted:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAeC9IxXkAAZBxg.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAeC9I2XoAEEzTP.jpg

However, because I don't know the timezone, I am not sure if it's the perpetrator advertising himself or an ISIS fanboy minutes after the attack.

[KukriKhan]

21 50

[Fragony]

Deatholl rised. There must be someting not quite right with me I would like myself better if these things shocked me but I don't feel anything I simply don't care, maybe even gloating if I am to be honest with myself, that's twisted, I know. But I got that 'toldyouso' thingie

[Pannonian]

Two named victims so far. An 18 year old and an 8 year old, both girls. Considering the concert and footage I've seen of the audience, this is likely to be the demographic of the victims.

[Sarmatian]

But I got that 'toldyouso' thingie

Really? You figured out that a problem which underlying issues haven't been resolved is going to persist? You're a genius. You can safely predict that there's going to be more in the future. Bank a few more toldyousos.

[Beskar]

21 50

Final figures seem to be 22 killed and 59 injured. It is a tragedy indeed.

[InsaneApache]

As a Mancunian I feel this keenly......and then something comes along to make me smile...

He's not exactly underclass either, as he was at Salford University.

FFS have you ever been to Salford? Still nice to be cheered up on a day like today.

As for what to do......I found this from a blog site and it seems about the only way I can see for us to tackle this problem squarely.


Change our relationship with Saudi Arabia, the heart of Islamic darkness. It does not permit Christian evangelism on its territory. In contrast, as a civilised country, we permit all religions to be practised, but that does not mean we have to allow the Saudis to fund theirs. Currently there are more Wahhabi Korans in the UK than any other versions because Saudi Arabia provides them free of charge. Wahhabism is a particularly dangerous sect and motivates a disproportionate number of terrorists.

If this is thought likely to affect arms sales to that Kingdom, then perhaps we should form an Organisation of Weapons Exporting Countries to fulfil a similar function to that of OPEC in relation to oil.

It may be necessary, after appropriate research, to prevent other countries from funding mosques and madrassas in Britain. I see no problem with that either. I am sure local Muslim philanthropists will step into the breach.

We should ditch the doctrine of multiculturalism and make it a matter of immigration policy that new arrivals are welcome only on the basis that they agree to integrate into our society and live according to our values. There is no ethical problem, in my opinion, in stating definitively that Shariah Law is incompatible with those values. New immigrants should swear an affidavit on entry to confirm that they understand and accept this.

We should break the news to our Muslim communities that they and their families have come to live in a Christian culture. Most Brits may not be religious now but still our country is one formed by Christian values. Constitutionally, it is actually a kind of mild Christian theocracy as we have no separation of Church and State. The Church of England is Established and twenty-six of its bishops – the Lords Spiritual – are ex officio members of Parliament. In this quirky theocracy, the Theos is Jehovah, not Allah. Daft, in my personal opinion, as I very much believe in the separation of Church and State on the American or French model, but no less true for that.

We should deliver public services only in the official languages of the United Kingdom. When I lived in Poland, Russia and China I could not expect to deal with the authorities in English. They took the perfectly reasonable view that my weakness in their languages was my problem. To the extent I could not cope I found friends, colleagues or paid translators to help me. By dealing with immigrants in their own languages, we have encouraged them NOT to assimilate and have made it unnecessary for them to learn English. It is our fault, not theirs, that so many Muslim mothers live and raise their children dangerously outside our society's mainstream. I am sure most were initially astonished to find that our public sector is prepared to deal with them in their own languages at taxpayers' expense.

We should cut all other services (e.g. translators to sit with children in classes, chaperones to accompany ladies to medical appointments) that discourage integration. Of course we should be tolerant of the needs of learners to bring English speakers along to help them out until they are fluent. I am sure there would also be some doctors prepared to allow male members of Muslim ladies' families to accompany them to consultations. I would not make any doctor do so, however. The ladies in question chose to come to a country where such an approach is alien (and rather insulting to our doctors). No-one forced them to come. They could have stayed in their countries of origin and these issues would never have arisen.

We should provide English classes for refugees. They didn't choose to come and it's only decent to help them out. Economic migrants, like me in Poland, Russia and China, should pay for their own damned language lessons.

Finally we must recruit thousands of members of the police, the Special Branch and MI5 from among our Muslim citizens. We are so often assured that most of them are peace-loving and loyal that I cannot imagine this will be difficult. As a young lawyer in Nottingham I personally administered the Oath of Allegiance to many new Muslim citizens and kept a Koran at hand for the purpose. I am sure many of their families have suitably qualified members now.

It's nice to be back guys.

[Fragony]

Final figures seem to be 22 killed and 59 injured. It is a tragedy indeed.

A planecrash is a tragedy this was murder.

alas, I thought I didn't care but I was wrong, I could barely buy my cigarettes because the newspapers are there as well. It was pretty noticable that I could hardly speak that picture of that girl kept haunting. Not sure why I post this.