Quote Originally Posted by Philippus Flavius Homovallumus View Post
Bar, bar, bar.

It is the bleating the sheep, as opposed tot he rational discourse of men.

So, like it or not, it is the correct definition.

You are attempting to re-purpose barbarians for your own rhetorical benefit rather than face up to the reality that Nazisim is one logical progression of the Enlightenment.
You did not read me correctly, if you saw anywhere that I denied the roots of Nazism in the Enlightenment. I thank you for clarifying that you use it in the Greek sense, but you have not grasped the real substance of the Greek sense, which was as I said, "not-us". A face-value application from within the original stance leaves us with no barbarians to speak of.

The Nazi order was not "moral" in the mundane sense, the order was determined by the Nazi understanding of biological science, specifically the heritability of traits. The Nazi's looked at Germany and dertmined that it was both advanced AND ordered, they then looked at their near relatives the Anglo-Saxons, and the Dutch and saw more or less the same. The further a people diverged from Aryanism, however, the lower down the socio-economic order their society was.

You must remember that this was a widely accepted scientific view at the time, that white people were "more evolved" than other races, it was the basis for Segregation in the US Army - for example.

All the Nazi's did was take this to a logical conclusion bereft of any moral constraints - i.e. if Aryans are better than other people then application of Darwinian principles allows for the extermination of other competing populations.
You are wrong to take Nazi philosophy as amoral, when Hitler specifically advanced exclusion and extermination as moral over other means of dealing with the problems he identified. Cooperation and co-existence wouldn't simply be un-optimal in this understanding, but wrong and a disgrace to the German people. Soviet Communism was more interested in "rational application" than Nazism, which primarily dealt with the moral order of human existence.