total relism 18:41 06-25-2017
Originally Posted by Crandar:
Except that Seljuks about to conquer Europe is only your opinion, unsupported by facts and common sense.
And the Caliphate of Egypt remains absent from your narrative, unless we apply collective judgment, because both Seljuks and Fatimids were Muslims (although they fought each other), while Islam is still irrelevant to the Byzantine crushing defeat at Manzikert or the Turkic expansion.
Interesting, with what logic and facts would you use to claim Islam was not going to expand into further christian territory like they had the 400 years previous. How is Islamic ideology irrelevant to Muslim expansion in your opinion.
while i agree islam had nothing to do with the battle that put the byzantine under, it did have everything to do with why islam was expansionist and why the west reacted.
Maybe a modern analogy might work. Republicans go around killing all the democrats and tacking control of state governments in 2/3 of the states. California is in trouble and is almost about to go under. After 400 years of this process democrats react to them being killed and in defense, look to protect the rest of California from this fate and even restore some democrats in some of the states they were kicked out of, or murdered, or worse, forced to join the republican party. Would that be aggressive or reactive in your mind.
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