XCOM Mafia [Concluded]

[Fredwood]

Snap impression of my wall on novice?

I'm about to call for a Megazord comprised of myself, Barto, Autolycus, and Csargo. I have no idea how many power rangers there are and I had to look up what the term was for the Megazord, but if you wanna be number five let's do this thing.

I have a hard time with you Townclearing Auto for an early joke vote lynch. I agree that Barto is cleared as far as X-COM goes if Novice flips X-COM.


Also, I'm surprised people are saying that Pizza and CS could possibly be W/W, I think the probability that both are wolf are slim, I can buy one being scum.

[Fredwood]

So general question to the thread. How many have played with Pizza when he's been a LMS/SK/3rd party or whatever you called it?

Could his genuine scum hunting be genuine but still be 3rd party? Going back through the ISO he's mention 3rd party neutral more then once, so it could be said that it's on his mind subliminally. Leading town and lynching X-COM could explain both the tonal reads I had on him, the actual effort because he enjoys scumhunting and some of his problematic reads from a bad guy perspective.

I'm gonna ahead and throw that tinfoil out there. Unless he has some sort of avoidance or protection someone in that position doesn't make himself that big of a target though.

[Logic]

Logging in for the first time all weekend. Sorry folks, I forgot u had plans. I am caught up to #874, and my only new reads are that I think sooh and cuth might be wolves.

[Askthepizzaguy]

So general question to the thread. How many have played with Pizza when he's been a LMS/SK/3rd party or whatever you called it?

Could his genuine scum hunting be genuine but still be 3rd party? Going back through the ISO he's mention 3rd party neutral more then once, so it could be said that it's on his mind subliminally. Leading town and lynching X-COM could explain both the tonal reads I had on him, the actual effort because he enjoys scumhunting and some of his problematic reads from a bad guy perspective.

I'm gonna ahead and throw that tinfoil out there. Unless he has some sort of avoidance or protection someone in that position doesn't make himself that big of a target though.

I have to stay alive if third party, neut, or survivor.

Unless it's capo and I'm likely to have town defending me with some kind of protection ring, I'm going to try to look townie but not too townie.

If it's the situation where I have a ring of protection I will brutalize scums and call their mammas fat because winning that way is way more fun than doing things the timid way, and it's also smart.

If I'm 3p I generally win when scums all die, assuming this is anywhere close to end of game. Neutral survivor same thing, but I probably make townie-looking pushes midgame, not burnout levels of it d1 and d2. Expect me in the top 5 posters but not top by leaps and bounds as neut survivor. And my impact and footprint and uh... machismo? All would be a lot smaller.

Don't know what else to call it. This is my town machismo unless I had guaranteed night protection. I still randed town though.

[Askthepizzaguy]

SK sorry. Neut and survivor is almost redundant.

I'd have definitely blasted someone last night with killing power, trying to hit a scum. I would want some kind of town cred to avoid a lynch, even if I don't claim right away, that's a hard claim that saves my ass as vig or sk.

No nightkill, practically guaranteed I'm not SK. Doctors never stop me.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Stepping away for sanity and for food cooking / eating / relaxing.

I'll be back but not for tons of time this phase.

If you mislynch, do not mislynch inside my town core. A mislynch can be useful if it was someone we'd always have mislynched, but hit a scum today, try hard and make sure that happens.

Don't lynch Auto today. Pretty sure he gets clear with a novice flip.

[Cuthillius]

also a few more things, before i get to the promised meat

as it were

yes, i know

but looking at this in the context of novice being scum, it looks rather damning.

have you ever heard of confirmation bias?

good

don't do it

[Fredwood]

also a few more things, before i get to the promised meat

as it were

yes, i know



have you ever heard of confirmation bias?

good

don't do it

I know what it is. Why I asked what your take on the interaction. During the ISO i was more likely to confirmation bias him town because he was my strongest town read at that time of pizza's post. You're saying it's NAI?

[Cuthillius]

I know what it is. Why I asked what your take on the interaction. During the ISO i was more likely to confirmation bias him town because he was my strongest town read at that time of pizza's post. You're saying it's NAI?

what?

i'm just saying that your "looking it in the light of him being scum" was unhelpful

my take on the interaction is null to towny

i don't think it was a slip, i don't think the vast majority of things that are called slips are slips, and i think that most people have an idea in their mind of "slips" because they happened to confbias when they saw a scum or two "slip"

[Cuthillius]

what?

i'm just saying that your "looking it in the light of him being scum" was unhelpful

my take on the interaction is null to towny

i don't think it was a slip, i don't think the vast majority of things that are called slips are slips, and i think that most people have an idea in their mind of "slips" because they happened to confbias when they saw a scum or two "slip"

switched to another computer

not to say that slips don't exist

nevertheless

that was not one, he may have misremembered or just assumed my scumrange from playing with me several times as town and hearing pizza talk about my scumrange a couple games back

i don't love it, but it's definitely outweighed by other things in his posting

[Fredwood]

what?

i'm just saying that your "looking it in the light of him being scum" was unhelpful

my take on the interaction is null to towny

i don't think it was a slip, i don't think the vast majority of things that are called slips are slips, and i think that most people have an idea in their mind of "slips" because they happened to confbias when they saw a scum or two "slip"

He said something was in your scum range, but you point out he's never played a game with you as scum.

The interaction is concerning not 100 percent damning, and you yourself thought enough of it to make a note of it. It's why I wanted you to weigh on it specifically.

[Cuthillius]

He said something was in your scum range, but you point out he's never played a game with you as scum.

The interaction is concerning not 100 percent damning, and you yourself thought enough of it to make a note of it. It's why I wanted you to weigh on it specifically.

given we've played probably about 5 times and people have talked about my scum game itt

it was more of a note than a hey i think this is particularly bad in any way

like

i see where you could come to that conclusion, but by far the easiest answer is just that either he forgot i hadn't been scum in a game with him yet or extrapolated it from my play/what he's heard

[Askthepizzaguy]

This is me right now.

I have a hard time with you Townclearing Auto for an early joke vote lynch. I agree that Barto is cleared as far as X-COM goes if Novice flips X-COM

Something you gotta know about Autolycus is that the first vote he places in any round is often his last.

He doesn't do joke votes. Even if his vote is random, he's fine lynching people on that random vote.

Auto has lower value to a scum team than novice, in my opinion. Novice can push people's minds all around, Auto is just Auto.

My first vote, on d1, unlikely to lynch, always looking for something better, unless they feel like they're slipping hard. Then I push things longer than I normally would.

Novice scum is an Auto town read, solid.

[Fredwood]

This is me right now.



Something you gotta know about Autolycus is that the first vote he places in any round is often his last.

He doesn't do joke votes. Even if his vote is random, he's fine lynching people on that random vote.

Auto has lower value to a scum team than novice, in my opinion. Novice can push people's minds all around, Auto is just Auto.

My first vote, on d1, unlikely to lynch, always looking for something better, unless they feel like they're slipping hard. Then I push things longer than I normally would.

Novice scum is an Auto town read, solid.

So he's gonna get that strong a read off like 5 novice posts, and actually land scum...most efficient mafia player ever.

I wouldn't put too much thought into my Tinfoil, I was just trying to think of reasons for the disparity between the two Pizza's I see, I don't think it's very likely.

[Logic]

Cuth's post #874. It starts out making little sense. His 3rd and 4th paragraphs directly contradict each other.

Sooh is definitely tunneling pizza. Maybe she's roght, but that isn't what is pinging my radar, it's that her posts (all prior to #880, where I am currently reading) don't seem to be as much of a solving, but a rehash, and kinda flimsy arguments on every case she is makinh.
@novice can i get back to answer your question in #851 when I am not on a mobile device? I've looked through 3 pages and I can't find the post of yours that I am looking for. I am positive you and Dp101 are not BOTH scum, but I don't remember what post of yours convinced me of that.

Starting in on reading page 12 now...