XCOM Mafia [Concluded]

[novice]

I'm not really liking Manasi lynch if only cus I don't learn anything.

The other 3 I have issues with

Novice: cus I don't want to doubt my IGR on him
Pizza: cus I'd be sheeping the meta
Bart: cus I don't want to tunnel.

Cuth and I are melding, and if he sites the Pizza Meta as enough to lynch him I guess I can get behind the Pizza lynch I guess. I do think I have something I want to pursue for the next phase though.

IGR?
What was the thing you wanted to pursue in the next phase?

[novice]

I'll have to continue tomorrow.

Vote: Logic, see post 1547 for reasons.

[El Barto]

First things first. vote: Manasi

Now I'm off to read the thread.

[novice]

Welp, just seven hours left in the day?

Idk what this is supposed to mean in terms of me or Manasi.

I was surprised, yes.

I meant, were you really that sussed?

Timing! The point is in the timing. novice didn't actually argue that until both GH and atpg were dead.

It was a crosspost.

I'll have to continue tomorrow.

Vote: Logic, see post 1547 for reasons.

Should also include post 1535:

This is a weird progression. You go from a nullish read to "a tad on the scummy side" which becomes "very suspicious" by the end of the post. Not to mention that the "tad on the scummy side" tell objectively isn't scummy. (But that is in Logic's derp range.)

Town:
novice

Not willing to lynch:
Cuthillius
Dp101
Winston Hughes

Don't think so:
Sooh
Fredwood

Willing to lynch:
autolycus
BSmith
Csargo
El Barto
Logic
Manasi
Montmorency

[Sooh]

Welp, just seven hours left in the day?


I meant, were you really that sussed?


It was a crosspost.



Should also include post 1535:


Town:
novice

Not willing to lynch:
Cuthillius
Dp101
Winston Hughes

Don't think so:
Sooh
Fredwood

Willing to lynch:
autolycus
BSmith
Csargo
El Barto
Logic
Manasi
Montmorency

Sure felt that way. Maybe just because Pizza is so loud and people are generally listening to him.

Also, your scum list is way too long. Can you sort out who are the more likely scums?

[novice]

Also, your scum list is way too long. Can you sort out who are the more likely scums?

Not so easy. Maybe:

Willing to lynch:
Manasi
Montmorency

More willing to lynch:
Csargo
El Barto

Even more willing to lynch:
autolycus
BSmith
Logic

[novice]

Popping out for more furniture, will be back before lynchtime.

Fred, what do you think about my points on Logic?

[Fredwood]

Popping out for more furniture, will be back before lynchtime.

Fred, what do you think about my points on Logic?

I don't think they're compelling. Those posts feel...dunno, like townie grasping for a strong town to clear?

My issue with logic isn't so much that he has done stuff that's scum it's that I've seen nothing that I can give him town cred for. There's some effort in some of his analysis I guess, but the progressions he takes to get there I have problems with.

[Sooh]

Not so easy. Maybe:

Willing to lynch:
Manasi
Montmorency

More willing to lynch:
Csargo
El Barto

Even more willing to lynch:
autolycus
BSmith
Logic

Your list looks like
Post little

Posts ok

Posts very little (except Logic)

It's like a low hanging fruits list.

[novice]

Your list looks like
Post little

Posts ok

Posts very little (except Logic)

It's like a low hanging fruits list.

I'm willing to lynch the high hanging fruits also. I think the low hanging fruits are safer but the higher ones could be very revealing.

[Montmorency]

Wait, something about novice's scum list that confuses me - so in his original list, he used reverse ordering?

Not so easy. Maybe:

Willing to lynch:
Manasi
Montmorency

More willing to lynch:
Csargo
El Barto

Even more willing to lynch:
autolycus
BSmith
Logic

Willing to lynch:
autolycus
BSmith
Csargo
El Barto
Logic
Manasi
Montmorency

Most willing to lynch Bsmith, auto, Csargo, yet his votes for the day were Montmorency and Manasi?

Why were relative positions of the other leans static, when Logic suddenly leapt from middle-of-the-group to top (?) lynch candidate?

Something is weird here beyond the ordering.

[Sooh]

Odds are I might be dead tomorrow for thunderdoming Manasi, so I must ask you to please move forward with the BSmith and Novice wagon idea.

[Fredwood]

IGR?
What was the thing you wanted to pursue in the next phase?

Catching up


In game read, before the Pizza flinch you were my top town read. I stated in my ISO breakdown of you while ISOing you the framing was convenient. I was very conflicted over that lynch primarily because I had given you both major town cred that phase. I felt a lynch on you taught us more, but my read had been stronger for longer on you, and Cuth made the case about effort always being a part of Pizza's meta.


I mentioned it later when Monty mentioned Logic, I had some issue with Logic's post and progression from day 2 that I wanted to explore, and I hadn't seen anyone else mention him and I didn't have the energy or didn't think it was the right time to build a case against someone who was a mostly null read for everyone.

[Manasi]

Catching up


In game read, before the Pizza flinch you were my top town read. I stated in my ISO breakdown of you while ISOing you the framing was convenient. I was very conflicted over that lynch primarily because I had given you both major town cred that phase. I felt a lynch on you taught us more, but my read had been stronger for longer on you, and Cuth made the case about effort always being a part of Pizza's meta.


I mentioned it later when Monty mentioned Logic, I had some issue with Logic's post and progression from day 2 that I wanted to explore, and I hadn't seen anyone else mention him and I didn't have the energy or didn't think it was the right time to build a case against someone who was a mostly null read for everyone.

Can you read all of auto's TWO POSTS

and tell me how you feel

[Fredwood]

Can you read all of auto's TWO POSTS

and tell me how you feel

Auto's a problem, don't know if he's necessarily a day phase problem, if his existence persists beyond the next few phases then yeah we'd have to lynch him before a theoretical lylo, Pizza almost lock clearing him after an extremely early vote on novice that felt jokey is part of the reason I sided with Novice in the great Day 2 Thunderdome.

[Manasi]

Auto's a problem, don't know if he's necessarily a day phase problem, if his existence persists beyond the next few phases then yeah we'd have to lynch him before a theoretical lylo, Pizza almost lock clearing him after an extremely early vote on novice that felt jokey is part of the reason I sided with Novice in the great Day 2 Thunderdome.

So you're just suggesting we leave him open for a vig or something?

[Fredwood]

So you're just suggesting we leave him open for a vig or something?

Or something, just feels like an unproductive lynch after D2.

I'm at a weird crossroads with inactive lynching. How many games in Champs were ruined by allowing them to skate? Then you get stuck having to decide with them in Lylo situations, it's just a mess. But if there's better information to be had, I still want to go for those lynches. I think the window for inactive lynching is day 1, maybe I'm overthinking it, but I'm having a crisis of faith over it.

[Manasi]

Or something, just feels like an unproductive lynch after D2.

I'm at a weird crossroads with inactive lynching. How many games in Champs were ruined by allowing them to skate? Then you get stuck having to decide with them in Lylo situations, it's just a mess. But if there's better information to be had, I still want to go for those lynches. I think the window for inactive lynching is day 1, maybe I'm overthinking it, but I'm having a crisis of faith over it.

Why didn't you push for it then? Unless I'm misunderstanding.

[Fredwood]

Kind of nuts that everyone's willing to lynch list is so large at this point, frustrating, until I realize that my willing to lynch list is rather large as well.

Still rather high on Cuth, not just because I agreed with the logic, I don't think pushing the lynch on a town Pizza is a scum play there. Even if he's a masterful scum, it's a tough sell. Right now the Manasi/Sooh fight feels more like w/v then the Pizza novice really ever did. I haven't given either of them any serious town cred up til this point, and there hasn't been a ton of reason to change that.

I will say Sooh's recent post about Manasi not knowing the vote count when she voted, basically defending Manasi for being voted for the wrong reason reads rather town to me. I don't know if I'd give credit myself to Manasi on that point now, but the fact that Sooh is at least providing a plausible explanation for that vote even though they've been at each other for 3 phases would bring me to town lean Sooh more then Manasi.

The Novice/Pizza Thunderdome just feel like it lacks closure. Novice just tarnished too much in my eyes at this point, fairly or unfairly (because a lot of it was through no fault of his own). Is it a good reason to lynch someone...no (maybe?), just feels like unfinished business.

Barto...don't know what to do with him. Haven't seen reason to town read him and he's rather boisterous, but aside from people throwing his name out for lynch candidate, there doesn't seem to be any traction on him. So either all those mentions are parroting/distancing or people just don't feel as strongly as they say they do.

BSmith: His vote is the worst of anyone's for me. It doesn't feel right that a low poster would have that much of an impact on an outcome of a big lynch. It feels like the vote was being directed. It's too beneficially timed and beneficially scum to be made on his own when he hasn't been able to pay much attention to the game to this point and the Pizza v Novice debate was a very content heavy one. Could be an apology patsy vote. It wasn't last second but it did build the distribution to at least make a Pizza lynch more likely.

Logic: It's strange that this feels like a POE thing, I can't put him in my town core, and I have reasons for not wanting to put him in my town core, however he's far from the scummiest person on my mind.

[El Barto]

Kind of nuts that everyone's willing to lynch list is so large at this point, frustrating, until I realize that my willing to lynch list is rather large as well.

Still rather high on Cuth, not just because I agreed with the logic, I don't think pushing the lynch on a town Pizza is a scum play there. Even if he's a masterful scum, it's a tough sell. Right now the Manasi/Sooh fight feels more like w/v then the Pizza novice really ever did. I haven't given either of them any serious town cred up til this point, and there hasn't been a ton of reason to change that.

I will say Sooh's recent post about Manasi not knowing the vote count when she voted, basically defending Manasi for being voted for the wrong reason reads rather town to me. I don't know if I'd give credit myself to Manasi on that point now, but the fact that Sooh is at least providing a plausible explanation for that vote even though they've been at each other for 3 phases would bring me to town lean Sooh more then Manasi.

The Novice/Pizza Thunderdome just feel like it lacks closure. Novice just tarnished too much in my eyes at this point, fairly or unfairly (because a lot of it was through no fault of his own). Is it a good reason to lynch someone...no (maybe?), just feels like unfinished business.

Barto...don't know what to do with him. Haven't seen reason to town read him and he's rather boisterous, but aside from people throwing his name out for lynch candidate, there doesn't seem to be any traction on him. So either all those mentions are parroting/distancing or people just don't feel as strongly as they say they do.

BSmith: His vote is the worst of anyone's for me. It doesn't feel right that a low poster would have that much of an impact on an outcome of a big lynch. It feels like the vote was being directed. It's too beneficially timed and beneficially scum to be made on his own when he hasn't been able to pay much attention to the game to this point and the Pizza v Novice debate was a very content heavy one. Could be an apology patsy vote. It wasn't last second but it did build the distribution to at least make a Pizza lynch more likely.

Logic: It's strange that this feels like a POE thing, I can't put him in my town core, and I have reasons for not wanting to put him in my town core, however he's far from the scummiest person on my mind.

I like this post by Fred, actually. His not understanding my gameplay style is natural, and why would scum!Fredwood point out BSmith's behaviour when there were still many players to slander if need be?