XCOM Mafia [Concluded]

[crimson_snow]

Part of me is curious what Champ's general play is like if him doing nothing game relevant is considered engaged.

[Askthepizzaguy]

The gang is all here and I've sorted you as best I can based on what you've given me.

D1 reads subject to being really shitty and I only express confidence where indicated.

My notes are more detailed, you don't get to see them until I have something I want to present based on it. roughly tiered.

----Town or towny
Askthepizzaguy
Logic strong
Champ semi strong
Manasi medium
----Null range
Winston Hughes
Csargo
Fredwood
Jowy
autolycus
Sooh
novice
BSmith
crimson_snow
Cuth
Montmorency
----Bit wolfy
El Barto
Dp101
----Wolfy
No one I'm that confident on yet.

[crimson_snow]

Didn't you say to Jowy that anyone that tries to lynch him or Champ should be lynched? Or did I misinterpret that conversation.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Didn't you say to Jowy that anyone that tries to lynch him or Champ should be lynched? Or did I misinterpret that conversation.

I was posting that to Logic, but many people managed to post in between so the context was lost.

[Jowy]

Didn't you say to Jowy that anyone that tries to lynch him or Champ should be lynched? Or did I misinterpret that conversation.

Logic and Champ I think.

Champ def hasn't done anything to make him villa yet.

[crimson_snow]

Logic and Champ I think.

Champ def hasn't done anything to make him villa yet.

Has Logic to you?

What are your feelings on Ask's El Barto vote and scum read?

[Askthepizzaguy]

You disappoint me ATPG.

Vote:ATPG

You want to push him today, see where it leads. It's just not a good process to flush that guy d1 in general.

Imagine I've got a cop read on him that's coming in 3 rounds. Maybe he's too dangerous to keep alive but I'm not that confident on my scum lean on him yet.

There are some other people who are nullish or scummish I'll never be able to read who I would definitely flush day one.

[Csargo]

The gang is all here and I've sorted you as best I can based on what you've given me.

D1 reads subject to being really shitty and I only express confidence where indicated.

My notes are more detailed, you don't get to see them until I have something I want to present based on it. roughly tiered.

----Town or towny
Askthepizzaguy
Logic strong
Champ semi strong
Manasi medium
----Null range
Winston Hughes
Csargo
Fredwood
Jowy
autolycus
Sooh
novice
BSmith
crimson_snow
Cuth
Montmorency
----Bit wolfy
El Barto
Dp101
----Wolfy
No one I'm that confident on yet.

Unvote:, Vote:Dp101

[Askthepizzaguy]

Csargo bold and beautiful this game.

I like you this game you're just hard to read. Trying.

[Csargo]

You want to push him today, see where it leads. It's just not a good process to flush that guy d1 in general.

Imagine I've got a cop read on him that's coming in 3 rounds. Maybe he's too dangerous to keep alive but I'm not that confident on my scum lean on him yet.

There are some other people who are nullish or scummish I'll never be able to read who I would definitely flush day one.

I'd like to lynch him 2day tbh. Think you Champ and Manasi higher than they should be tbh. Barto I don't agree with either, don't see what you're seeing.

[Jowy]

Has Logic to you?

What are your feelings on Ask's El Barto vote and scum read?

Nope was actually a bit suspicious of Logic. Also I haven't played with him before, while I have with Champ.

Nothing wrong with the Barto vote and scum read. He's been around but he's been fluffing it up.

[crimson_snow]

You want to push him today, see where it leads. It's just not a good process to flush that guy d1 in general.

Imagine I've got a cop read on him that's coming in 3 rounds. Maybe he's too dangerous to keep alive but I'm not that confident on my scum lean on him yet.

There are some other people who are nullish or scummish I'll never be able to read who I would definitely flush day one.

I can understand this on a theory/expected value level. Just replacing names with people I'm more familiar with.

Also just used this in a scum game to put off two of my partners lynches for later and won in a sweep, though, so I'm slightly squinty eyed at it.

[Csargo]

I'd like to lynch him 2day tbh. Think you have Champ and Manasi higher than they should be tbh. Barto I don't agree with either, don't see what you're seeing.

:| .

[Csargo]

Csargo bold and beautiful this game.

I like you this game you're just hard to read. Trying.

[Jowy]

Btw I'm liking the play from csargo and crimson. Ya'll can join my town core.

[crimson_snow]

Btw I'm liking the play from csargo and crimson. Ya'll can join my town core.

I would not town read me for asking questions and trying to feel people out. Very much within scum range.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'd like to lynch him 2day tbh. Think you Champ and Manasi higher than they should be tbh. Barto I don't agree with either, don't see what you're seeing.

It's not a lot to see yet. Those are merely my strongest feelings halfway through a fluffy day one.

This is a gamble that can hurt. A town dp101 is not someone I want to lynch. But risk is part of the game.

Vote: dp101

[Jowy]

I would not town read me for asking questions and trying to feel people out. Very much within scum range.

I'm doing it anyway. Might be a bit level 1 if you are idd a good wolf, but it's unavoidable when most faces are new to me.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I would not town read me for asking questions and trying to feel people out. Very much within scum range.

I say exactly posts like this even when I'm scum, but I also know that's a rare thing for people. Kudos on your game, regardless of alignment.

I like your process, I like your style, and I would like to figure out a way I can feel confident separating you from a null into something better.

[crimson_snow]

It's not a lot to see yet. Those are merely my strongest feelings halfway through a fluffy day one.

This is a gamble that can hurt. A town dp101 is not someone I want to lynch. But risk is part of the game.

Vote: dp101

I really don't like this. Doesn't mesh with the mindset that he's a cop check to you on day three, and the way I was expecting you to approach things.

[crimson_snow]

I say exactly posts like this even when I'm scum, but I also know that's a rare thing for people. Kudos on your game, regardless of alignment.

I like your process, I like your style, and I would like to figure out a way I can feel confident separating you from a null into something better.

Cop check and hope I'm not the godfather.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I really don't like this. Doesn't mesh with the mindset that he's a cop check to you on day three, and the way I was expecting you to approach things.

I know rationally that this is dangerous. But I have never been a timid townie.

Csargo is also someone who is near impossible to clear on posts alone. Him leading a charge onto a scum dp101 is well worth the price of admission, and a dead wolf is always the best result day one.

My vote may not end on dp. But not pressuring him at all just because he's a good townie is also a shitty process, and I'm glad Csar reminded me.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Cop check and hope I'm not the godfather.

Exact same here.

[crimson_snow]

If it puts your mind at ease, pretty sure my claim will eventually clear me.

Or this could be wifom for the scum team to have to deal with.

Either way, I'm not getting lynched so just call me town in thread, and either shoot me at your convenience, or mourn over inevitable flip in the night.

[crimson_snow]

My problem with the pressure on DP is that the reason he's scummy is that he's not really trying to figure things out.

I'd rather have seen people actually ignore him and see if he tries to do things of his own volition rather than pressure him into that response. Him coming in and ~~~doing things~~~ now is not remotely indicative of alignment.

[Askthepizzaguy]

If it puts your mind at ease, pretty sure my claim will eventually clear me.

Or this could be wifom for the scum team to have to deal with.

Either way, I'm not getting lynched so just call me town in thread, and either shoot me at your convenience, or mourn over inevitable flip in the night.

Make sure your claim if and when it occurs conforms to the stringent rules of this particular game so you don't get modkilled.

I get the feeling one screw up is exactly getting toasted. I know I keep harping on this but it's really important.

[crimson_snow]

Make sure your claim if and when it occurs conforms to the stringent rules of this particular game so you don't get modkilled.

I get the feeling one screw up is exactly getting toasted. I know I keep harping on this but it's really important.

You being the Helpful Townie is taken into consideration.

As is the point raised.

[Dp101]

Part of me wants to be contrarian and stick with my town lean/dislike of the push on DP, but the lack of town reads/leans, calling people null, yet not really trying to change that sends up a couple red flags.

This is finals week for me, I don't have much energy. I'll go and reread the thread and post something more conclusive in a minute. If you were looking for more opinions from me though, here's one: you are town.

[Askthepizzaguy]

My problem with the pressure on DP is that the reason he's scummy is that he's not really trying to figure things out.

I'd rather have seen people actually ignore him and see if he tries to do things of his own volition rather than pressure him into that response. Him coming in and ~~~doing things~~~ now is not remotely indicative of alignment.

Yeah but it also depends on what he does do. And it also puts our suspicions on record as being genuine pressure we'd be willing to kill for, not merely scum distancing.

That's just as important to the solve. Open-mind and willing to change good, pure wishy-washy not good and makes it harder for townies to see who actually is willing to do what.

[Dp101]

You being the Helpful Townie is taken into consideration.

As is the point raised.

He's basically always like this, as both alignments, fwiw.