XCOM Mafia [Concluded]

[Cuthillius]

hey fred

hey everyone else

happy day 1

[novice]

Hello it's time for my obligatory awkward checking and to just say Hi for the first time post.

Office gifs the norm then.

You're right, that is awkward.

Hi though. How and where do you normally play this game?

[crimson_snow]

Vote: No Lynch

Not comfortable voting anyone off before we can use our roles.

[crimson_snow]

Vote: No Lynch

Not comfortable voting anyone off before we can use our roles.

Hmmm Apparently there are vote tags I must adhere to.

Vote:

[crimson_snow]

Okay I don't entirely know how this works then.

[Askthepizzaguy]

crimson, by vote tags I think Zack means "Vote: " plus bolding. No brackets or angle brackets needed, we're not that fancy. I believe our glorious host-god is using the lazy host vote counting method which is pressing control+f and looking for the word vote, so if you just post a bolded name, it won't count.

You can find out for sure by asking the host a question via PM, as the rules... well, pretty much if people haven't read the rules despite the big giant letters saying to do so, good luck avoiding dem modkills.

Time for the first angly bullshit read of the game: Champ is town.

Also, this opening post is scummy as from me.

• Carefully reading the rules before posting?
• Being helpful?
• Answering questions related to how to play?
• Formatting a bulleted list for no apparent reason?

My god, this is the wolfiest thing I've posted in several games, and I was wolf a lot recently.

-Noted.

-Noting also noted.


Vote: Askthepizzaguy

Thanks for outing yourself in your first post, wolf. And you'd post this exact post as a wolf, too.




You're not WIFOM'ing anyone. Get the fudge outta here with this open wolfing. You're a if you think this wolfy nonsense is gonna fly.

Not in MY town.

[crimson_snow]

What.

[Fredwood]

You're right, that is awkward.

Hi though. How and where do you normally play this game?

I've seen awkwarder

HCRealms, Syndicate, MU...maybe somewhere else but it's been so long I forgot it.

[Askthepizzaguy]

You're right, that is awkward.

Hi though. How and where do you normally play this game?

The start of novice's bad opening. Should have been followed up with a vote.

Epic.
And you just demonstrated enough self-awareness that it's completely NAI. Hugely entertaining, though. :)

This post makes me feel like he knows I'm town, but can't admit it.

You should be careful with irony in multicultural communities...

Telling townies how to play the game is scummy.

How do Night 0's work anyway?
Yes, agreed on both counts.
And if he isn't joking, he's scum because...?

Click for context. Particularly the third line made me feel terrible about novice.

So everybody's awkward, but it means different things?

In consecutive fashion, he's looking for weaknesses or distancing. Too many small suspicions or picking-at questions in a row. Also it seems like he's defaulting to critical impressions of people, not looking for positives.

Then he picks Logic as his target and invests in that. By page 3 and 4. he drops off. So, a flurry of activity which doesn't look very townie to me, is how novice opens the game.

Page 5 puts Jowy as townie and I don't see how he arrived there even if it was right. Of the people who read Jowy, novice's conclusion always felt artificial or PIS. He just said Jowy "felt normal". That's not specific, and he put Jowy as one of his top town reads. Crimson and Jowy were his top 2. Crimson was at that point a gimme read, imo.

The Jowy read is correct, but formulated incorrectly.

I'm going to Vote: Cuthilius for that misrepresentation of Monty, for lack of better ideas.

By now I can tell that novice's impression of the game is mostly critical of like 7 people, and he's struggling to find new town reads that look natural. I'm going to be cruel and say that Jowy was his only town read that wasn't a gimme, and it was formed badly.

He's also deliberately uncharitable in interpretation to most people in the game so far.

For me it's that he's interacting intelligently with the thread. Maybe it shouldn't be alignment indicative, but it's giving me warm fuzzy feelings.

What's so scummy about Jowy?

Not specific enough, and for such a "strong" town read, he should be more convinced of his own read. Even my shitty Champ snap-read had a specific reason I could give. Novice says the behavior of his strongest town read shouldn't be alignment indicative, which is kinda early to be backing off of it.

Instead of finding positives and pushing them convincingly, he trends negative toward too many people and is generic with his positives.

Then his vote on Cuth he's easy to push off of, not grounding himself firmly invested in any scum read.

The pattern so far is that he'd like to have reasons to vote people, not reasons to clear people definitively, and not cases on scums that he fully owns the consequences of responsibly.

Not quite the riposte I was expecting from Jowy, but close enough I suppose.

Actually let me mediate a bit here. Or fuel the fire, we'll see what transpires.

Jowy, explain how your behaviour matches your process. How can you scumread Dp, taunt him as he tries to defend, and then decide that we're done bullying him? What is your agenda?

Seemingly deliberately playing both sides against the middle here. Now his "top town read" is one which he's throwing some pizza-supplied fire at, without voting him.

Actually I get the feeling that Pizza is overreaching a bit.

Both sides against the middle.

I never got the Csargo townread either, not that I'm sure anyone but Pizza has actually townread him? Maybe Champ did?
Apparently he's very towny compared to his history of games.

Not giving his own impression why he thinks Csargo shouldn't be townread and not giving him a scum read either.

champ is suboptimal low-info lynch today

But oh so satisfying.

Cuth much townier than Novice. Champ townier than novice, tbh.

we're still not doing it

Cuth looks pretty good here especially if Champ/GH is town. He's got no reason at all to buddy the Champ slot or defend it. That slot should be an easy mislynch because it can't defend itself or town clear itself. No offense champ.

Cuth may not know how to read me, the newspaper that says "Pizza gah-zette" is entirely blank, but he looks town this game.

Okay, El Barto: Not much to say, keeping things fun, but his Dp vote really is bad. Both for reasons outlined by Fred, but also because of poor justification, and the timing seems aimed at pushing Dp over the edge.

Looks like buddying dp and Fred and playing both sides against the middle.

Csargo vote is terribad.

Ok, I agree with this.
Vote: Csargo

This is a really limp way of offing Csargo during the best day one Csar has ever had. Click for context, he basically just took Cuth's justifications and ran with it.

It's the scummiest way of killing townies by lynch.

And that puts Csargo in the lead with 3 votes, by the way. The 2-2-2 tally must have been uncomfortable.

And as soon as he does that, he says good night and dips out.

That's Novice's really scummy and not at all a little bit townie day 1.

[Askthepizzaguy]

hey fred

hey everyone else

happy day 1

....

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Jeice:
Errr, Captain... You're here.

Captain Ginyu:
Well, look what the Space-Cat regurgitated.

Goku:
Hey Gohan, hey Krillin, hey Goku.

Manasi and Champ as of this post

with a big disclaimer that those are both pretty thin

Those are interesting choices. But it's 300+ posts in, and I think both of them had strong starts at least.

vote:monty for this and followup

was not super fond, felt like took advantage of longish dp post, not hugely natural feeling

/shrug

Cuth-y reasoning, for sure.

csargo, pizza, jowy all town

cs excellent tone, reads i agree with, feels right during discussion with atpg

pizza fairly similar, agree with csargo that i disagree with pizza on barto

jowy a nice free-flowing game BUT going in the right directions, has a mildly cocksure aura to him that i like

Yeah, I think all of this adds up. I like his strong solid town core as soon as possible in the game, which by then was fairly possible.

It looks like solving to me.

HOWEVER

i also kinda think dp is town

i think he's being pushed for bad reasons, and i like his responses

he's reacting in a towny way, exactly like i'd expect, i think he'd be a bit more deflecting contrasted with some aggressive posts

here it just feels pretty natural

with that in mind i'm not putting aside the option of something like pizza scum ?maybe csargo? in there and possibly another person i townread

as of right now again i do like all of the listed

would most like to lynch monty, curious what you people, including dp, have to say about him

struggling a little to find wolves as of right now which is why i'm sideeying my townreads

but eh we'll see

Believable.

since i said that pivoted a little

i don't know exactly how to feel about him

i'm not a HUGE fan of the dp vote from him, buut at the same time it's gutsy as scum

i have no real idea how to read him in general though

so imo wait until some people around interactions with him flip

or something

and i was actually talking about csargo, not you

sorry

Town-reading this post.

except not even

it's just lazy

Novice scum kinda makes Cuth look very good for this exchange with him. Click for context. I don't think Novice-Cuth has this exchange.

noting, for the record, that novice has never played with me when i was scum

Excellence.

...

i have no idea how you reached this conclusion in any way

Utterly normal response to what I said.

this is the sequence

pizza asks people for townreads

dp gives a longish thought out reply

monty says dp town

when asked why, given the out of "tone"

he seizes it with vigor

monty usually at least provides curt replies with reasoning

here it just feels like

there was a post by town that looked towny

he said man i need to find a towny post that looked towny

so he called the guy who made said post town

and had no real justification for doing so otherwise

like legit i don't doubt that the read is... real

it just feels easy, it feels lazy, he does the "all we've got babe" thing instead of literally anything else

ech

Not fake.

vote:csargo

Not a scum vote.

reassessing, i think he's scummier

in the light of a new day, i dislike his continued push on dp

i'm not mindmelding with him as much or at all now

i think it makes sense from a perspective/gameplay pov as of right now

monty has that strike against him, but it's really not THAT much and i'd still like to hear more from him before considering lynching him in an ideal world

i also am not super fond of people's reasons for townreading csargo, pizza in particular, and think that independently he doesn't have a ton going for him aorn

Not fake.

I think we can stop here.

Cuth just town this game. His process is Cuthy and he's not finding scum pizza this game, as much as he'd like to. That's a nice get if it ever happens.

Sorry to disappoint, Coof.