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    Iron Fist Senior Member Husar's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pannonian View Post
    The Husarian equivalent of Godwin.
    http://listverse.com/2013/03/12/10-w...ned-the-world/

    http://www.srimatham.com/uploads/5/5...ned_india_.pdf

    The Indian trade was ruined through restrictive trade practices. During the early stages of
    Industrial revolution, Indian goods then exceedingly competitive were levied 70 to 80 %
    duties. Even later, the machine made British goods enjoyed 10 to 27 percent duty
    advantage over Indian goods manufactured by traditional means. As the Indian finished
    goods became less and less competitive, the policies slowly made India an agricultural
    colony, and the exports of raw goods feeding the British Empire, rose as finished goods
    exports fell. Impoverished masses from the Indian industrial centres rushed to villages to
    agriculture. The landowners were already heavily taxed far in excess of previous foreign
    rulers. Then the British changed the law, and allowed the new Œcapital holders’ to own
    the land in India. The British bought lands for plantations, which were manned by Indian
    slave labour. Thus even the agricultural export profits benefited only the British
    plantation owners, and not the starving labourers. Let us look at the details of how this
    was done. It was a deliberate policy of the Board of Directors of the East India Company,
    since 1769. In the early nineteenth century the duty on Muslin and Calico was more than
    27 and 71 percent ad valorem, respectively. Even then, British manufacturers were
    unable to compete with Indian Manufacturers; hence Britain prohibited the import of
    Calico cloths. Heavy protective duties -- 70 and 80 percent, respectively- were imposed
    on the Indian silk and cotton goods in England. These ruined those industries in India,
    while British goods were imported into India at nominal duty.

    [...]

    By 1850, India, which had for centuries exported cotton goods to the whole world, was
    importing one-fourth of all British cotton exports. In any technology revolution, old
    methods must make way for the new ones. But during the industrial revolution, which
    was taking place in Britain, the resulting ruin of the millions of artisans and weavers in
    India was not accompanied by the growth of new forms of industry in India. The old
    populous towns like Dacca, Surat and Murshidabad (which Clive in 1757 had described
    as Œextensive, populous, and rich as the city of London) and the like were in a few years
    rendered desolate under the ŒPax Britannica’. The population of Dacca, the Manchester
    of India, decreased from 150,000 to 30,000! In 1890, Sir Henry Cotton wrote, „ less than
    a hundred years ago, the whole commerce of Dacca was estimated at ten million rupees
    and its population at 200,000. In 1787 Dacca’s muslin exports to England amounted to 3
    million rupees; in 1817 they had ceased altogether. The arts of spinning and weaving∑.
    have now become extinct.
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    A German lecturing a Briton on the evils of empire. What did you guys do with your last empire, may I ask?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pannonian View Post
    A German lecturing a Briton on the evils of empire. What did you guys do with your last empire, may I ask?
    Can I lecture both of you? Our empire collapsed in the 14th century, after lasting a whopping 25 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarmatian View Post
    Can I lecture both of you? Our empire collapsed in the 14th century, after lasting a whopping 25 years.
    I thought that was about par for the Balkans, post Alexandros.

    I suppose the Turks 'technically' were around longer, but their "empire" was a little slipshod.
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    Apparently ISIS capital Raqqa has fallen to SDF. Same day Kirkuk is falling to Iraqi/Iran forces at Iraq.One has to wonder what will now wait for the Syrian Kurdish forces as they have done their work.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/...ic_state_group
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kagemusha View Post
    Apparently ISIS capital Raqqa has fallen to SDF. Same day Kirkuk is falling to Iraqi/Iran forces at Iraq.One has to wonder what will now wait for the Syrian Kurdish forces as they have done their work.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/...ic_state_group
    Aren't the Syrian front Kurds supposed to be the less "warm and fuzzy" branch?
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    It really is hard to capture what will happen next in a concise nugget.
    Stirring up rhetoric against Iran, just as ISIS seems tamed for the moment does not strike me as clever.
    The Middle East "A Machine of Many Moving Parts"; can you settle the simmer in Iraq without mollifying Iran? Probably not.
    The Kurds, spot their best chance at a state ever; they could be a proxy for anyone not interested in stability right now.
    The U.S. removed Saddam, is it up to the task of smoothing the Sunni/Shia divide without someone much like him? Again, that road probably runs through Iran.

    http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opi...71.htmlhttp://

    For the Shia militias, times might be pretty good.
    "There is disorder under Heaven, and the situation is excellent"

    http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/10/18/...tting-started/

    Any policy that ignores Iran's interests is doomed to fail.
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