Chess - Game Thread [Concluded]

[Xiahou]

Sheesh.... 25 pages already???

Vote: zack
For spamming out over 150 posts.

ATPG is a close second... but you can only vote for one.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Sheesh.... 25 pages already???

Vote: zack
For spamming out over 150 posts.

ATPG is a close second... but you can only vote for one.

Opening post this game.

Keep in mind, Zack had gotten votes on D1. He had been voted more than once and been shaded by a couple of people before this vote.

But he was also not lock scum or a lost cause nor did he have a big wagon at the time. In fact reinoe had unvoted him.

This is just a bizarre place to put a vote if Xiahou is scum. Timing-wise, plus the fact that he's just not someone who unvotes.

This was a voting Zack to death vote, when Zack was going super hard.

Xiahou lock town based off of this one post alone, and I'm serious about that lock. Look at the context.

Look at his meta and who he is. Look at who Zack is. That's not someone you bus d1.

It goes against every single mafia principle.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Look at the reasons behind that vote.

Keep in mind who he is and how many posts he tends to deal with.

Basically, this was his entire reason to lynch Zack, because he wouldn't shush his mouth.

If it were me, I'd have gotten the vote instead. I almost did but Zack came into this game with a truckload of WIM that got him town reads.

It's as simple as that.

[Askthepizzaguy]

The final scum made a play in one of their posts, or several, to get the lynch off of Logic or off of Zack or off of GH.

And they are not currently in my town pile, because those in my town pile have really earned it and there's zero reason to suspect them.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Cuth is not really affecting the outcome of the game or pushing things very much in any direction either.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I mean that Zack/GH cfd is the mafia equivalent of shooting themselves in the foot if they're scum, it had a very small probability of being successful. Coupled with the fact they chose Dp101 as their target probably lowered their probability of success. Plus the amount of votes they would have had to gather to top Logic's total makes it an almost impossible feat. They're both definitely capable of defending themselves in the aftermath, but I don't think it's likely they're scum together, and even one being scum seems unlikely to me. Even if they were successful they would have bought Logic a night phase, don't think it's worth it for that.

Blue- Why you would say this, is because there needs to be a logical argument why they wouldn't do that if they're both scum, that is not just based on reading them town. Something I do if I'm scum or null reading my own buddies, is I put the thought out there that disconnects them. I don't have to town read them to defend them. I can put out the logic as to why they're not scum together without committing to a town read. You've enough experience to know this is something scums can do as well.

Orange- more logic suggesting the strategy is self-defeating. Again, don't have to town read either one to make this argument, and it dissuades people from pushing there.

Green- They don't need to get a lynch, just look unaware a scum is about to flip, and by your own admission in orange, that shouldn't have even been their actual motive. We've all pretty much decided they were betting the farm that their cfd antics would be seen as distancing themselves from the eventual scum flip. Their posts around that time indicate so, they simply bet on acting shocked that crazy pizza was actually right on his total non-case on some random low poster. That was the play. So you're arguing out of both sides of your mouth here. They can't be scum because it doesn't make sense as a strategy (blue/orange), but they also can't be scum because it is obviously not that strategy (green).

That's the biggest issue.

red- Well you're suggesting they're both town. I don't think you can really believe that. Some suspicion has to go their way if you're towning, Csargo. I think. Maybe I'm wrong but I feel like you've got better instincts than that. And logic, when you present any.

Teal- Again, you're arguing that it can't make sense as a strategy to save Logic which means that they shouldn't be scum here. This is how you argue in their defense without giving them a town read.

It's defensible, and it needed to be argued to dissuade the town from killing them. Even when they flip, if they flip, it doesn't immediately go back to you, because your reasoning is neutral and reasonable, you were not suggesting they were town, just that they don't make sense.

Agreed, doesn't make sense. But it's what happened. And you were telling us that you did not think it was possible. That's a good way of defending a partner so you can vote elsewhere. You're dissuading people by example rather than trying to change minds.

I can see all of this coming out of Scum Csargo's brain, easily.

Doesn't mean you're scum, but it puts serious doubts about a town read I had on you.

These are the death star plans.

And you're in the chambers of the Sith Lord, watching the final destruction of the alliance, and the end of our townie rebellion.

You're watching it all unfold.

All of the townies will die. You don't know the power of the dark side.

[Askthepizzaguy]

And as for me. Well, I've fulfilled my destiny.

I killed all those Sith Lords, and then put a shit town of Jedis to the sword, trying to find the last Sith Lord.

I am become Darth Vader.

I cannot overthrow the emperor alone. Join me, and together we can rule the galaxy.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Star Wars. I am a fan of them.