GH returns ~90 posts later
with an ISO of Logic from Pokemon. Long post, but he concludes that Chess Logic is consistent with Pokemon Logic given the different circumstances of the early game in the two games, especially self-reinforcement of Pizza's pressure. Passive-aggressive comment to Pizza:
I don't think Pizza usually does it this early as mafia. Hopefully I'm just able to stop him from having it become one of Those Games this time and that's the end of that.
In fact, Pizza later complains that for all the insight
GH missed Pizza's main point that Logic shouldn't be acting passive-aggressively, Logic should be more direct and forthright.
Right after the Logic defense, a Manasi vote:
Originally Posted by
GeneralHankerchief
In other news, I feel like poking the bear a bit.
Vote: Manasi
Zack asks how good
GH is at reading Manasi, to which
GH replies "reasonably well". Monty quibbles with
GH about gamestates by noting that both Pokemon and Chess had 2 new players, with
GH responding that Viper wasn't new. Monty asks why the Manasi vote,
GH says to give it time. Winston likes Slaan's posts and general sense of towniness, to which
GH adds that Slaan is a player who improves over the gamecourse and despite an early hiccup he unexpectedly doesn't want to lynch him. Winston feels "GH's big post looks townie in itself, but it feels a little scummy to me that he'd make that his main engagement with the thread at this stage.";
GH explains he doesn't want to drown out the thread just for a low chance of being right. Winston thinks that's a weak post, clarifying so when Zack asks whom he refers to.
GH asks Fredwood how often in his experience D1 consensus lynches have been correct, and asks why Fred is leaning Logic "
unfortunately". Winston thinks Fred feels "real in the now", and
GH asks how he feels about the "unfortunately" wording. Winston's response:
Originally Posted by
Winston Hughes
Contrived = scum?
Could be.
GH advances that Fred's wording if he doesn't care who is lynched between Barto and Logic doesn't make sense from town, and sounds like appeasement of Pizza; Fred finds this post manipulative. Fred explains "unfortunately" as feeling sorry/sympathetic for Logic, and defends the mehanics of consensus lynches to an extent.
GH calls that lazy, because
Originally Posted by
GeneralHankerchief
you should vote for your biggest scumread regardless of context except for very specific exceptions.
This isn't one of them.
Fred is dismissive, and Winston doesn't like it at all:
Originally Posted by
Winston Hughes
Feels like Fredwood's playing 72/24, while GH is looking to eod.
Confrontation continues:
Originally Posted by
GeneralHankerchief
Winston: You might be right, I don't usually play 72/24, but can you explain how this is a Bad Thing?
Fred: My concern is still your wording, if you were fine with both wagons then I think you would have just left it at that.
Originally Posted by
Winston Hughes
Town play the day, scum play for the deadliine.
Originally Posted by
Winston Hughes
Vote: GH
Originally Posted by
GeneralHankerchief
Can you elaborate?
Originally Posted by
Fredwood
So now you're trying to direct what my response should have been? Saying that I have sympathy, something that I stated within the meat of the post, so it wasn't that much of an inference that the unfortunately meant that despite my humanity I'm likely to vote him. The wording is only misleading because you're actively altering the meaning.
Either way, I posted it because I felt like it and wanted people to know where I was at.
Couple that with your inference that I should not vote Logic because he's consensus and lolconensusisneverrightyouguyslol, then calling me lazy for not "voting" my top scumread (when Logic is a relatively top scum read)...tis strange.
Originally Posted by
Winston Hughes
Town's job is to use the time available to rebalance the information equation in its favour.
Scum's job is to ensure town guesses wrong at eod.
Originally Posted by
Winston Hughes
[To Xiahou] Zack is a bad vote.
Join me on GH.
Originally Posted by
GeneralHankerchief
For the town part you're generally correct, but I think you're oversimplifying the mafia's job. There's a lot more nuance to it, working on multiple levels to ensure both short and longterm success.
Luckily all I have to do is just say what's on my mind this game.
Originally Posted by
Winston Hughes
Show me the good stuff, GH.
Reinoe thinks out of all this Fred came out townie and
GH awkward, but not sure if lynchable. Asks
GH who his suspects are. Winston is prepared to place
GH in his scumpile. Choxorn notes that townies control the day, so long days are good for information. Barto makes a rare post, and quoting
GH on Reinoe he implies that Reinoe is bad because he voted Barto at some point.
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