Chess - Game Thread [Concluded]

[Zack]

This gamestate is probably too easy, I'm guessing there's at least one wolf who was balls deep in Logic's lynch. Can't count the number of games where wolves made a hard d1 bus that bought them some time in the short term.

That said, it's not worth too much concern yet.

[El Barto]

Just before bed I'll point out I don't quite like how you horsed around with Winston at the very beginning of the game but then voted me for horsing around with Winston.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Just before bed I'll point out I don't quite like how you horsed around with Winston at the very beginning of the game but then voted me for horsing around with Winston.

Who, Zack? Some might say that's alignment-indicative. Some would say yea, others would say neigh. But then again I do like horsing around.

Have a good knight.

[Zack]

Just before bed I'll point out I don't quite like how you horsed around with Winston at the very beginning of the game but then voted me for horsing around with Winston.

1. The very beginning of the game is not the same as middle of the phase.

2. You can horse around, I don't really care. It's a problem when you do nothing else.

[Zack]

vote: choxorn

Don't really want to lynch barto anymore

I'm going to bed

and you conveniently skipped over this part too

[Askthepizzaguy]

After that post, what made you want to lynch Barto again?

[Zack]

After that post, what made you want to lynch Barto again?

That sequence made me think, hey, I'll give him space to work and do his thing. But he's not made much use of it.

I'd be lying if I said some it isn't also just, there are a good number of people who are cleared or at least look good from yesterday. POE and all.

I think Chox is a better lynch still, fwiw.

[Zack]

[Askthepizzaguy]

I feel like making GH cry today and voting for him.

Actually, I think he'd be kind of grateful to me at this point. And dead. So you know what that would make him?

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

A walking dead fan.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

*shifty eyes*

It's not winning unless your opponent cries.

[Sooh]

Vote count:

GH (2): Montmorency, El Barto,

Not voting (13): Cuthillius, Pizza, Slaan, Choxorn, Kagemusha, Csargo, Reinoe, Xiahou, Dp101, GH, Zack, Fredwood, Manasi

With 15 players there are 8 to hammer.


EOD1:

[Askthepizzaguy]

I get to be third on the wagon. That would be nice.

GH do you remember the good ole days when being third on the wagon was considered scummy?

Man, this one's gonna be tough to explain.

Vote: Generalhankerchief

[Xiahou]

I still think Zack is a good choice, but GH seems like the clearer one right now. It's good to see my suspicions supported by some good reasoning.

Vote: Generalhankerchief

[Askthepizzaguy]

Noting it is a hammer day and that every day in this game is a hammer day.

If you hammer, he'd better flip scum, that's all I'm gonna say about that.

[Askthepizzaguy]

But Xiahou you're exempt from the hammer thing. You don't gotta worry as we're like 4 away anyway.

Off to school. Talk more in a few hours maybe?

[Csargo]

Vote:GH

[Dp101]

I'm not going to vote him until he posts with some kind of defense. Feels wrong to hammer someone that fast.

[Kagemusha]

Vote: GH . Cant think of any other lynch that would out weight lynching him. If someone wants to persuade me otherwise i am all ears.

[Sooh]

Vote count:

GH (6): Montmorency, El Barto, Pizza, Xiahou, Csargo, Kagemusha,

Not voting (9): Cuthillius, Slaan, Choxorn, Reinoe, Dp101, GH, Zack, Fredwood, Manasi

With 15 players there are 8 to hammer.

GH is at L-2


EOD1:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Unvote

I intend to lynch him today, but discussion time. -2 is too close to him self-voting to cut off the time we can use.

Let me know when everyone is ready to continue, and I'll swing a hammer vote.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Nap, then more townie finding.

[Kagemusha]

This complete radio silence from GH might suggest that he is simply depriving us from any further information.

[Sooh]

Vote count:

GH (5): Montmorency, El Barto, Xiahou, Csargo, Kagemusha,

Not voting (10): Cuthillius, Slaan, Choxorn, Reinoe, Dp101, GH, Zack, Fredwood, Manasi, Pizza

With 15 players there are 8 to hammer.



EOD1:

[GeneralHankerchief]

This complete radio silence from GH might suggest that he is simply depriving us from any further information.

Or that I'm busy.

Anyway you're not going to lynch me today.

Will talk more when I get time.

[GeneralHankerchief]

In the meantime, if somebody could produce a summarized case against me, I'd appreciate it.

[Askthepizzaguy]

In the meantime, if somebody could produce a summarized case against me, I'd appreciate it.

You have as many posts as a chess board has squares and they all scummy.

[GeneralHankerchief]

You have as many posts as a chess board has squares and they all scummy.

Nah, I remember me being one of your towns midway through D1. Lose the roleplay and give me an honest summary.

[Manasi]

cabbage

noose

calzone

[Kagemusha]

Nah, I remember me being one of your towns midway through D1. Lose the roleplay and give me an honest summary.

At which point did you stop reading?

[Dp101]

In the meantime, if somebody could produce a summarized case against me, I'd appreciate it.

Montmorency’s ISO of you is the best one IMO, on mobile so not about to link it but I think the 2 posts are about a page back.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Zack and dp look okay, Zack seems really natural and flow-y and Dp seems uncomfortable so far which is pretty solidly in his town meta.

Everyone else is either null or confusing.

Yeah, dp's lock town. Take this read to the bank.

I also think it's highly likely that one or more of the people pushing him are mafia, because I literally came out and said the exact thing that Dp did w/r/t Pizza in fewer words and I'm taking ~no heat for it.

That's exactly what I'm saying. I think if it was an honest push on dp, the people making it would be roping me in as well and painting us with the same brush. Since I've pretty much escaped heat for it, I think the more likely explanation is that it's a calculated push designed to go after the person more likely to be mislynched (sorry dp).

Either that or it's just a lazy read in the first place because it's not a real read to begin with.

Here's where I'm at right now:

I think Zack and Dp are still town.

(snip)

Kage, follow me onto Cuth, his vote on Dp was bad.

Nah, not really buying this.

For starters I don't think Logic is mafia, it was pretty easy to shade him in the endgame of Pokemon and I'm detecting a lot of the same stuff here.

Secondly you're putting way too much emphasis on a single scumread of yours, half of your townies are simply the people who joined your wagon for goodness sake.

Stop tunneling, spread out, and read the whole game besides your black/white dichotomy on Logic and Csargo to a lesser extent. You're better than this regardless of alignment.

Okay your Kage post was better, but I think you're still tunneling/lacking context. Kage is Kage, Logic is Logic, and one of them is definitely more naturally uncomfortable.

I mean, how many times does someone call a naturally suspicious looking person a wolf 1/3 into d1, literally almost the entire game says "sure bud" and votes him, and they actually flip wolf?

Yeah, this is pretty much where I'm at. Let's diversify.

My context on Logic is way better than anyone else's.
Look for yourself. Pick a game, any game. Pizza's Logic=Townie challenge.

I'll check it out at some point in the phase, sure. But I'm not going to change my read on him in the meantime just because you told me to.

Who are you looking at then?

Well, now that I'm finally live, some combination of Fred, Barto, and Reinoe. I'd also like to stay live for a little while.

In your experience, how often has the consensus lynch choice halfway through a D1 been correct?

And what do you mean "unfortunately?" If you're town you're not hemmed into any particular read here, you get to say what you want.

Winston, thoughts on Fred's "unfortunately"?

I mean, the interpretation/paraphrase that makes most sense to me is the following:

There are two wagons right now, Logic and Barto. I'm scumreading Barto more than Logic but am fine with either lynch. Unfortunately I'm still going to vote Logic despite my greater scumread of Logic.

It just... doesn't make sense from town? It's almost like he's trying to appease Pizza.

This is super lazy, you should vote for your biggest scumread regardless of context except for very specific exceptions.

This isn't one of them.

Town's job is to use the time available to rebalance the information equation in its favour.

Scum's job is to ensure town guesses wrong at eod.

For the town part you're generally correct, but I think you're oversimplifying the mafia's job. There's a lot more nuance to it, working on multiple levels to ensure both short and longterm success.

Luckily all I have to do is just say what's on my mind this game.

GH
Logic
El Barto
Manasi
choxorn

scumpile

@reinoe

I'm somewhere around here right now:

Zack
Kage
Monty

Dp101
reinoe
Slaan
Logic
Winston
ATPG

---town line---

Csargo
Xiahou
Cuth
Fredwood
El Barto

Choxorn
Manasi

~~~~~~
(snip)

Logic has a larger sample size than Xiahou to judge, and he's acting in line with his town meta as per the context of the game as I mentioned yesterday.

No idea about the other issue unfortunately. Just one of those things.

I'm bored.

Vote: Choxorn

I pretty much had my big post about Choxorn already, the long story short of it is I don't think he's within his town meta.

Here's the link

With less than 30 mins to go:

Out of principle, I'm staying on Choxorn.

I mean, when have CFDs ever helped anyone. They always seem to exchange a reasonable lynch option for one that is essentially rand.

I seem to recall you being the successful target of one in Jabbz's game.

And I don't think this is something you would forget either.

Vote: Dp101

Join me.

In all seriousness he's been on the business end of CFDs at least twice, one of them directly and he still pulls out that line.

I just can't believe you'd ever actually have that thought considering your own personal track record.

VOTE DP DO IT

Chinese Fire Drill - last second lynch on someone who previously wasn't in contention, usually because you don't have a good feeling about things.

Or if somebody slips up.

Yeah.

Current self-portrait:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Good job, everyone.

Nah, I remember me being one of your towns midway through D1. Lose the roleplay and give me an honest summary.

Crow is tastier than what you were trying to serve up at end of day, you slimy scumball.