Chess - Game Thread [Concluded]

[Cuthillius]

The vote by GH could have legitimately missed that his own partner didn't actually vote on the person he was asking questions about, or that could have been by design. Someone notices that there was no vote.

Or, if the wagon on Cuth takes off. GH can go Oh, You Didn't Actually Vote There. I didn't see that. That takes away my case.

Unvote.

gh straight up ignored my post where i pointed out that i didn't vote

that would look rrreally awful if he were to try to come back and say "oh lol oops"

[Askthepizzaguy]

So lynch Xiahou. If it's him then me fleshing out a scenario where you're scum doesn't matter.

Again, if I'm not allowed to be wrong about you, then don't play with me.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I have all the sympathies in the world for my other players, but if it comes down to you're mad because I think you're a wolf, tough shit.

[Cuthillius]

I have all the sympathies in the world for my other players, but if it comes down to you're mad because I think you're a wolf, tough shit.

oi

if that's the impression you're getting from what i'm saying, i'm sorry, because that's not what i was trying to communicate at all

and i said nothing of the sort?

so

whatever i don't really want to participate in a discussion framed like this

[Askthepizzaguy]

Ok. If that's not what you're saying, then it's fine. I got a lot of hostility out of the go jump in a lake comment.

New topic.

[Cuthillius]

So lynch Xiahou. If it's him then me fleshing out a scenario where you're scum doesn't matter.

Again, if I'm not allowed to be wrong about you, then don't play with me.

again, where are you getting "not allowed to be wrong about you"

i am a bit frustrated, but purely by the way you're approaching this and the way you've been approaching the entire game

admittedly, telling you to jump into a natural water feature was not necessary, but it's hardly a statement of aggression and shutting my pov to you

i get that you think i might be a wolf, and i would too, i'm certainly not a modpeeked villager

but i responded to your arguments with my own, and not with a categorical statement that you shouldn't be wolfreading me

if you want to have a discussion about what i did and how what happened would ever make sense within the world you're proposing, i'd be happy to

that was the gist of my post, and that was the entirety of what i was arguing

[Cuthillius]

Ok. If that's not what you're saying, then it's fine. I got a lot of hostility out of the go jump in a lake comment.

New topic.

ok

i'm sorry

didn't mean it to come across like that

regardless, my points about your points still stand

[Askthepizzaguy]

There's nothing more to discuss unless you think it's me, dp, or the lovers.

If not, then if it's not you then it's just Xiahou and he picked the one strategy I'd never be able to wolf read, but everyone else did.

What happens next doesn't matter, if so.

[Askthepizzaguy]

ok

i'm sorry

didn't mean it to come across like that

regardless, my points about your points still stand

Cuth, I think you're a great guy.

I'm not trying to be emotionally manipulative, or to deny anyone else their right to be upset. I just got through beating myself up over the game for guessing wrong, so I just... wasn't in a space to hear something hostile.

Normally, I'd be okay. This game, I am not okay.

Not your fault.

[Cuthillius]

i do not mind other people thinking i'm a wolf, calling me a wolf, or saying "look at how these things are wolfy"

i do take issue with people saying stuff like "oh look this guy probably just didn't care about the game and told his wolfbros that before the game so he bussed them" when that's both patently false and out of line with everything else, whether from a standpoint of meta or what's happened in this game

that's all

[Askthepizzaguy]

I spent too much time lookin' at the game and I got too emotionally invested in the outcome.

At this point it's just gotta be okay for me that the wolves did a plan I didn't wolf read in the last wolf.

I'm there, but I also need to not look at this thread.

Someone please kill me.

[Cuthillius]

There's nothing more to discuss unless you think it's me, dp, or the lovers.

If not, then if it's not you then it's just Xiahou and he picked the one strategy I'd never be able to wolf read, but everyone else did.

What happens next doesn't matter, if so.

i'm honestly kinda concerned about the situation as it stands

we have a lot of ~clears

and then a poe

if it's not xia, and i have ~no feelings on that specifically

just a bit worried about going through the rest in the right order, especially since with one NK per night it would be quite possible for a deep/bussing wolf to go a long way without it looking particularly unusual, given the high level of confidence with which so many people are declared to be villagers

i'm a little weirded out by the lovers apparently not being mod-confirmed that the other is in fact town, and while i think it makes more mechanical sense and is more likely from sooh's pov afaik for them to be v/v, i'm not 100% convinced there and hope they're one of the earlier NKs

chox is obviously off the table

but then

meh

yeah i'm just

slightly concerned about this being a bit mortal kombat-like

probably more than ideal

[Cuthillius]

Cuth, I think you're a great guy.

I'm not trying to be emotionally manipulative, or to deny anyone else their right to be upset. I just got through beating myself up over the game for guessing wrong, so I just... wasn't in a space to hear something hostile.

Normally, I'd be okay. This game, I am not okay.

Not your fault.

yeah i get it, and i'm sorry for my part in not being diplomatic or handling it as well as i could have

don't like to get that part of my emotions involved in games

[Cuthillius]

all that aside, you dying in the next couple nights is probably pretty unlikely

[Dp101]

i'm honestly kinda concerned about the situation as it stands

we have a lot of ~clears

and then a poe

if it's not xia, and i have ~no feelings on that specifically

just a bit worried about going through the rest in the right order, especially since with one NK per night it would be quite possible for a deep/bussing wolf to go a long way without it looking particularly unusual, given the high level of confidence with which so many people are declared to be villagers

i'm a little weirded out by the lovers apparently not being mod-confirmed that the other is in fact town, and while i think it makes more mechanical sense and is more likely from sooh's pov afaik for them to be v/v, i'm not 100% convinced there and hope they're one of the earlier NKs

chox is obviously off the table

but then

meh

yeah i'm just

slightly concerned about this being a bit mortal kombat-like

probably more than ideal

This is basically the last thing I'm worried about, the lovers not both being innocent. I guess we will find out soon enough though.

[Cuthillius]

yeah was just taking them as a thing

same point applies to fred or whatever

[Dp101]

yeah was just taking them as a thing

same point applies to fred or whatever

But fred already died.

[Montmorency]

i'm a little weirded out by the lovers apparently not being mod-confirmed that the other is in fact town, and while i think it makes more mechanical sense and is more likely from sooh's pov afaik for them to be v/v, i'm not 100% convinced there and hope they're one of the earlier NKs

all that aside, you dying in the next couple nights is probably pretty unlikely

This is interesting to bring up. Could you explain your thought process predicting the last kills? Best of all to post it just before the round ends.

[Cuthillius]

But fred already died.

monty?

whoever

you?

pizza?

anyone

[Askthepizzaguy]

If one of the lovers is scum,

If it's Monty I don't mind. I mean, I pointed out the tie creation stuff. And I've been saying his wolf game is amazing.

This one just a cut above everything else.

If it's Csargo, Monty can decide on that and lynch him tomorrow. I am just going to assume he should be able to scum-read Csargo. I said why he can be scum.

Interesting that neither one ever got shot, but there were a lot of townier looking people.

But it feels like we've collectively decided that mechanically they can't be scum, so if that's wrong we just lose and I feel a lot less bad about it because then we're all in the same boat.

Plus they played it cool enough that it is a deserving win.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Personally?

I hope it's Cool Hand Xiahuke.

Showing me something I've never seen before from a low talker and playing the whole game ice cold.

I'd smile.

[Askthepizzaguy]

If I had two shots, I'd lynch Cuth, and then Csargo.

Xiahou for the win.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I guess technically the order would need to be reversed, just in case Monty's win condition triggers at f4

[Askthepizzaguy]

So... Csargo final 6 lynchee, kills him and Monty.

Then Cuth in final 3.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I don't think that's gonna happen, so. We will probably lynch inside Xiahou and Cuth and then see how that panned out.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Afk.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Not AFK.

Five scums too many, I think.

If one of the lovers is scum and the other is town, that means the townie involved doesn't have a lover's win condition and should lynch the other if they think that person is scum, even if it results in their death.

Monty, I'm guessing that is you. You have the power to save the town you love, and you must choose. Town or your lover. If you're a townie, then I think you could be headed for a heartbreak.

If it's Scum and Third Party, how is the third party functionally different from a scum? They win with this one scum but not the others. That's about it.

Strange Scum/3p setup. I've never seen one.

Scum/Scum lovers, I've seen in mashes. They share the same win con but both die when one dies.

I can't say any of these scenarios are likelier than the town/town lovers.

I just needed to put it on my brain and spin it around and think if it can be true, for a bit.

If it's 3p/Scum then we'll lose. We'll be distracted by the Xiahou/Cuth and it'll be game.

If it's Scum/Scum I think that's odd to put in a smallish game. And Monty-scum played a goat game.

If it's Town/Town then it's inside Xiahou/Cuth and we've got a 50/50. But you know, I think the post game beratements will be too many if I explore this scenario.

For post game beratements alone, I have to keep it to Xiahou/Cuth.

If it's in the lovers, I officially resign that universe. Every other townie must decide that. I cannot have that on my conscience and be wrong. My karma this game is already iffy.

[Montmorency]

Not AFK.

Five scums too many, I think.

If one of the lovers is scum and the other is town, that means the townie involved doesn't have a lover's win condition and should lynch the other if they think that person is scum, even if it results in their death.

Monty, I'm guessing that is you. You have the power to save the town you love, and you must choose. Town or your lover. If you're a townie, then I think you could be headed for a heartbreak.

If it's Scum and Third Party, how is the third party functionally different from a scum? They win with this one scum but not the others. That's about it.

Strange Scum/3p setup. I've never seen one.

Scum/Scum lovers, I've seen in mashes. They share the same win con but both die when one dies.

I can't say any of these scenarios are likelier than the town/town lovers.

I just needed to put it on my brain and spin it around and think if it can be true, for a bit.

If it's 3p/Scum then we'll lose. We'll be distracted by the Xiahou/Cuth and it'll be game.

If it's Scum/Scum I think that's odd to put in a smallish game. And Monty-scum played a goat game.

If it's Town/Town then it's inside Xiahou/Cuth and we've got a 50/50. But you know, I think the post game beratements will be too many if I explore this scenario.

For post game beratements alone, I have to keep it to Xiahou/Cuth.

If it's in the lovers, I officially resign that universe. Every other townie must decide that. I cannot have that on my conscience and be wrong. My karma this game is already iffy.

2 scum is mechanically ruled out by the host. Only 1 scum left.

Aside from the balance arguments, I pointed out various private town-tells by Csargo, like sussing Zack, showing consideration for how his play affects me as his lover, and being immediately supportive of going public.

At this point I'd legit consider you or DP before Csargo, and scum Pizza should never be apologizing for scum-reading his POE.

[Montmorency]

Even if Csargo were 3P, if you don't lynch last scum you still lose. If he's not hostile 3P he might as well be town right now.

[Cuthillius]

This is interesting to bring up. Could you explain your thought process predicting the last kills? Best of all to post it just before the round ends.

i mean it's not rocket science

power roles and getting two birds with one stone

these both take priority over pizza most likely especially if wolf is someone who he is/was protecting which is almost the entire game at this point