Chess - Game Thread [Concluded]

[Askthepizzaguy]

Pizza, given the roles we have seen confirmed (i.e. Choxorn and Logic), would the game be more balanced with an all-town lovers pair, or a mixed lovers pair?



I pointed out D4 that we needed to claim, but that it would be disastrous to be lynched rather than NKed before endgame. Csargo merely said that he had no problem with claiming, and that we wouldn't be lynched because mechanically we can't be a threat to town. Within a day or two, he felt, Pizza would lynch him anyway so his play didn't matter - but he would humor me and stop screwing around.

Repeatedly expressing concerns about DP. Either Slaan is scum, or Pizza is wrong about his town.

That's pretty scummy there.

Csargo's never had a problem just faffing around and throwing votes at random wolves.

Such a process "pizza is gonna lynch me anyway, what I do doesn't matter" is wolfy.

Monty. Tell me how that isn't.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I think it's ignore mode for everyone but the dead wolves and Csargo/Cuth/Monty.

Iso, say why each can be town, each can be a wolf, and decide after that.

I'm where I am at mostly because I already iso'ed those people, but everyone else should do the same.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Sleep and school will happen in between. But I've already done my part. If I can't read the game or am not readable based on everything that happened before now, its vanishingly small that anything I do now matters.

[Cuthillius]

Sleep and school will happen in between. But I've already done my part. If I can't read the game or am not readable based on everything that happened before now, its vanishingly small that anything I do now matters.

i'm going to have an exceedingly small amount of time today/tomorrow, unless i seriously slack off

so i'm not going to or going to be able to iso everyone and run through stuff

my positions are for the most part clear, i'm probably going to be forced to vote according to a specific pattern depending on votes, and it might end in a tie

just wanting to let you know so you don't get sad about my lack of presence

i'll probably check every now and then, but nose>grindstone tonight/tomorrow

glgl

[Montmorency]

That's pretty scummy there.

Csargo's never had a problem just faffing around and throwing votes at random wolves.

Such a process "pizza is gonna lynch me anyway, what I do doesn't matter" is wolfy.

Monty. Tell me how that isn't.

Because on his own, he was POE. 'Please stop lolcatting, Csargo'. 'Doesn't matter, I'm getting lynched.' Even if Csargo were to suddenly pull XCOM-caliber gameplay out of his hat from that point on, you would find it suspicious. It's an accurate description.

He was showing regard for my own status - he wasn't playing alone. I was affected by his actions.

Pizza, it's not you and it's not Csargo.

You keep going on about plans. What plan would get the Mafia here? Maybe there was no darn plan.

I don't want to do this.

[Montmorency]

You're asking me to take a heroic leap of faith.

I'm not looking at this through the Epic lens. I've messed up a lot of LYLOs desperate for that one tell. My last-minute flipped reads don't save LYLO.

The only time I've ever caught you in LYLO (or close to it), for example, town won on a coin toss. You taunted me for that.

What my straightforward thinking tells me is that Csargo is not scum, and there's no profit in considering all the ways you could be scum:

So I was like, he can possibly be scum still somehow, therefore he is scum.

Confirmation Bias.

Vote: Cuth

[Askthepizzaguy]

You're asking me to take a heroic leap of faith.

No, I'm asking you to read his posts from a certain point of view, with an open mind.

Then make a decision.

Ask me questions if you're not sure.

[Askthepizzaguy]

What you do is up to you. I should have pushed this harder on the day you claimed, and I should have pushed it harder yesterday so Xiahou wouldn't get lynched.

You're both alive because the scums wanted you both to be alive. The wolves' behavior shows it, the lynches show it, the murders show it.

Csargo doesn't have a town process, even in the stuff you're reporting to me from the quicktopic.

You're the only person I can persuade. You tell me when to stop trying to.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Cuth isn't voting for himself, and if I'm voting for Cuth, it will be because I've failed to persuade you.

And then I still don't vote there. You and Csargo lynch him with 2 votes and everyone gets to laugh at me in postgame when it's still Cuth.

But I will put your mind at ease:

If you guess wrong, anyone who beats you up for it is a shitty person.

[Askthepizzaguy]

This is internet guessing game. Guessing wrong is allowed.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Afk until 11 hours from now (maybe)

[Askthepizzaguy]

Well, look.

Voting with you against Cuth is basically symbolic if I don't agree with it. It's a symbol I don't need to display.

I'll reason with you but I won't twist arms. Don't feel like the only acceptable outcome for me is what I believe.

I just think it's this person and want you to see it too, and if it's wrong, lead me to the correct option.

But only one of us is right at the moment.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Because on his own, he was POE. 'Please stop lolcatting, Csargo'. 'Doesn't matter, I'm getting lynched.' Even if Csargo were to suddenly pull XCOM-caliber gameplay out of his hat from that point on, you would find it suspicious. It's an accurate description.

He was showing regard for my own status - he wasn't playing alone. I was affected by his actions.

Pizza, it's not you and it's not Csargo.

You keep going on about plans. What plan would get the Mafia here? Maybe there was no darn plan.

I don't want to do this.

Do you want me to explain it again, or is your mind made up?

I'm not ending the game on a coin flip.

If you're not persuadable then I'm wasting my time.

[Montmorency]

It would be heroic to trust your gut over mine. Maybe you would find it sensible and obvious. Call Xiahou my hero shot this game.

I see your version of events in reading Csargo's posts. It's possible. It's not enough. I have more than 50% confidence now, and I had more than 50% confidence an RL day ago. I've given my reasons. I don't expect Csargo or Cuth to have anything groundbreaking to add. I don't have anything left to talk about. Actually, I have one thing. DP flipped as a tiebreaker role, almost tailor-made for this kind of final round. A tiebreaker and a (potentially unlimited) inventor/baker against a strongman and a hamstrung anti-PR, that's a tougher balance than we even imagined before. Let there be scumminess, but I don't buy your narrative thread in organizing the game. Just because I don't have a better one doesn't mean there must be a better one.

Lay it all on me: Monty vs. Pizza. Who got it more right? Who got it more wrong? I don't want to be persuadable. I don't want to say that I'll keep looking and thinking over and over until I suddenly experience a conversion. I'm not going to suggest that I maybe possibly come in voting Csargo 5 minutes before deadline to look like a badass. I believe this is the right way to play.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I often change my mind after a sleep and a think.

I'll wait and give you the full time.

Otherwise, I'll accept that your mind is made up, and won't tie it, and will hope to god I'm wrong.

[Csargo]

I guess we'll see. Only other possibility is Monty, but I'm committed at this point.

Vote:Cuth

[Askthepizzaguy]

I am just posting to prove I am not a slow rolling, fancy playing wolf that fooled everyone good.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Lock town pizzaguy. I was getting worried you might get suspected at some point in this game.

Gonna study this game and figure out how I discovered the secret to not even being suspected by the people I pushed.

It can't just be the bussing. I must have hit my stride on villageriness in my posts as well.