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[Montmorency]

GH ISO PART I (Half-day)

This isn't going to be fancy or user-friendly, I just searched the username throughout the thread and made notes and descriptions. I've only done 1/2 of the GH ISO, but I'll post what I have as of now. I think I may have made bad choices in formatting.

A. GH was active from the beginning, voting Csargo. Chats with Winston about music. Zack begins interacting with him, jokes about ellipses-as-scumtell.

B.

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Disappears for ~100 posts, returns to welcome-vote Slaan (who arrived soon after GH disappeared and interacted with Zack, Winston, Pizza, Monty, Csargo, Logic in rough order of volume).

Soon after, Winston makes the first leans-post of the game, to Zack's belittlement:

Dp101 - Lock Town
Slaan - Town

Logic - Null
Csargo - Null

Monty - Third Party

pizza - scum
GH - scum

Zack - lock scum

Logic has this to say about GH's vote:

If thats hiw you welcome newcomers, I guess I'm thankful that for my first game here you were unable to vote for me.

C.

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Returns another ~100 posts later to say:

Zack and dp look okay, Zack seems really natural and flow-y and Dp seems uncomfortable so far which is pretty solidly in his town meta.

Everyone else is either null or confusing.

Pizza agrees with the post and Zack asks GH how he reads him for scumminess. GH replies to Zack that he looks mostly looks for "tone and stuff", and for Zack to dispute others' townreads of him. Zack retorts that he can do this as scum to reinforce the meta impression. DP worries that if he ever moves past the meta GH attributed to him, he will endure many mislynches. For this, GH grants him a begrudging town-point. During the exchange, reinoe votes Logic and Zack votes Pizza. Zack asks GH why he has taken so long to get into the game despite being around the for the opening, and GH please inattention. Zack asks GH what he thinks of Pizza, is he null? GH agrees with null, finds Pizza's roleplay tough to decipher, asks Zack the same question. Pizza rates GH highly as town. Zack says he explained his feelings on Pizza, but GH wants more - Zack declines. Meanwhile, Csargo votes Pizza.

D.

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Once again, GH returns ~100 posts later to lock DP town and suss the voters on him; DP put heat on Pizza for the same reasons (cryptic posting) that GH did, and GH isn't get as much heat as DP, so that makes it a scum push, a case that DP appreciates and allows him to town-read GH, "for now". Zack asks if GH is implying that DP is an easier target than GH; GH affirms, either push both GH and DP or it's a lazy superficial read. GH passive-aggression toward Csargo's fireworks gif because Csargo once posted it as scum "in a similar situation". Zack identifies that game as Pokemon (Csargo elaborates), thinks it should be taken as NAI. Zack asks if GH refers to reinoe and Cuth when shading the DP voters.

E.

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Another ~100 posts later, Reinoe disagrees with GH that he and DP are making the same points about Pizza being confusing. Zack asks GH to answer his question about whom he was referring to on the DP train (Reinoe and Cuth), and asks about differences in Org vs. off-site meta. GH appears immediately after to make his first long case/analysis (to Fred's derision) and vote Cuth:

Here's where I'm at right now:

I think Zack and Dp are still town.

I'm not particularly interested in lynching Pizza today even though I don't really have a read on him.

I think Kage is displaying some pretty decent towntells so far (willingness to get into it with people early on and picking his spots as they come) but I'm not giving him a pass for the full game yet.

Of the two Dp pushers I talked about earlier, I like Reinoe more than Cuth because Reinoe's explanations are decent and more well thought out than Cuth's.

I'm a little bit wary of Slaan right now because he's acting a bit different than in other games I've played with him in/read of his, but I think it can be chalked up to adjusting to a new environment for now.

I think Fred could be a bit better so far.

Vote: Cuth

Zack asks for more detail and meta on kage, slaan, and fred, wants to know GH's meta better after getting burned in Pokemon.

GH answers Zack on meta, but can't give much substance, wonders if it changes Zack's read on him. Elaborating on reads, he firmly townreads Kage on meta and process, with Slaan and Fred a tier below since he doesn't know their scum games. On Slaan it's nullish or mixed based on experience, least experience with Fred but he should be more engaged:

Fred I'm least confident about but I think he's definitely had less engagement so far than he's capable of (yesyes, I know the same can be said for me, but I'm town so).

Slaan asks the thread that "if GH mislynches me kill GH :)". Zack says GH's read makes him feel better about Kage, asks Pizza for help identifying a game where Kage was outed as scum. Disagrees on Slaan and Fred, they're fine:

slaan seems fine, maybe he's a good wolf but not worth pursuing this early based on just paranoia. In my experience, having low thread involvement is not alignment-indicate for fred and fairly typical

GH still can't give better than a "crappy" answer to Zack about his own meta, but says the questions make him feel good about Zack. Makes joke to Kagemusha about an old player and forums skins. Logic shades Kage for not knowing ISO as a veteran player, but GH points out it's a more recently-adopted term than Kage's day.

Winston judges the above GH-Zack exchange as really townie. Kage FOS lowposters to participate more, GH urges him to follow him onto voting Cuth for the bad vote on DP. Pizza doesn't feel good about GH's vote on Cuth. NOTE: GH never directly answered Zack on if he was sussing Reinoe and Cuth specifically, and so this vote was kind of out of nowhere. Kage agrees that Cuth is looking rotten, "not quite pushing, trying to connect a bit, making excuses..Best bet for scum so far."

I want to do EOD (last 6 hours of day) separately, but noting the beginning of the night from GH it's strangely perfunctory given the EOD shenanigans. I'm suspicious of this kind of humor from GH after big events, though I'm not sure how it's manifested in the past.

Current self-portrait:



Good job, everyone.

So one thing about the early game that is strange is that GH is popping in once every big block of posts (e.g. 100) to ask a couple of questions, or make an hostile observation, or banter and vote. I'm not sure GH should be such of an itinerant normally, but maybe that's just unique timing and the regularity is pareidolia. Also, his range of substantive interactions is kind of limited to Zack and 'broadcast into thread'. I don't think that suggests partnership with Zack however, since at the very least IIRC GH and Zack like to get as much facetime with players other than their partners as possible in games they roll scum in. Without Zack ISO I think that spread matches Zack in this game better than GH. They would probably do similarly as town, but the point is that as scum GH is being rather more conservative.

Tentative conclusion: One and only one of these is scum. @GeneralHankerchief