Chess - Game Thread [Concluded]

[Montmorency]

If Barto gets to 4, please don't add additional votes to him, just say you want to vote him if so.

Use the time. If he's town, what in his posts say that he is?

Check out this angle (general, not Barto). I'm planning to explore D1 overnight with this lens, and see if it leads to patterns that are actionable wrt living players.

So Zack reads Manasi horribly, wait till scums flip and do partner analysis; GH can read Manasi reasonably well, better than she might expect (votes Manasi). So that's a divergence.

Going by a quick advanced search of the thread I can't find a direct Manasi read in a comprehensive post by Zack, but at the end of D1 GH was scumreading Manasi, at points even his top scum. Still a divergence.

Here's what I have by the two on Barto so far (major items, not complete):

Well, now that I'm finally live, some combination of Fred, Barto, and Reinoe. I'd also like to stay live for a little while.

GH looking at people including Barto - BUT, this was before Zack made the case against him.

Okay so I got distracted doing other stuff and was only able to get to Fred and Barto.

Barto I still have no idea on, and probably won't until we get a flip. Wouldn't say no to lynching him but at the same time I fully recognize this is a lazy read. Don't care though.

Fred I feel somewhat better about, I think it was dp(?) who said that while he was around he made some pretty good points, and here I agree pretty much. Seems natural and focused, not really forcing anything. Fred can be town today.

GH looks at Barto, but takes away a nullish, self-admittedly lazy read. Still before Zack's case.

Also, anyone who is riding the train of "Logic is scum here, because he is noticeably and explicitly different from XCOM mafia, where he was town."

Read Barto in that game, read Logic in that game. Read them both in this game.

There's a stark difference in one of them, and it's not Logic.

Difference in games between XCOM and this one greater for Barto than for Logic.

People refuse to read him, because he's barto. But it's not that hard.

In the CFC/MTGS game on MU, I defended him for days before finally giving up. He was town.

I don't remember the game it was, but he was worried with fixing votecounts or something while having zero interest in the actual thread. I called him out on it as being wolfy, and got a mixture of scorn and ambivalence.

In Sooh's last game, I called him out as a probable wolf again. He was scum. I barely escaped getting mislynche d1, and got immediately killed by the town vigilante.

In Representative Democracy, as my teammate, I was literally begging him in our scum chat to please, post and do something. He did nothing but occasionally pop in to complain about the number of posts and do not really anything, pretty much what he's done here.

Look at XCOM. How much time does he spend complaining about having to read the thread? Does he make thoughtless OMGUS votes then peace out?

Nope.

Zack's case on Barto that he is trolling and lacks interest in the thread.

I mean, the interpretation/paraphrase that makes most sense to me is the following:

There are two wagons right now, Logic and Barto. I'm scumreading Barto more than Logic but am fine with either lynch. Unfortunately I'm still going to vote Logic despite my greater scumread of Logic.

It just... doesn't make sense from town? It's almost like he's trying to appease Pizza.

GH shading Fred, who suspects both Barto and Logic but thinks Logic should be the 'default' lynch for the day. (This could mean any number of things, but it should be included).

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So I think Zack wants Barto dead, and GH doesn't really care, except maybe indirectly. It's still a divergence, but not as large as the one on Manasi. I have no idea what it means. What it means depends on Barto's flip now, and the nature of any other divergence I can pick up in D1.