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[Montmorency]

Aha, a guilty one!

11 posts.

He actually unvotes and votes for someone else.

Look how he's tossing shade onto people.

Scum-Xiahou from a long time ago:


Compare to his other town games and this game.

I see... words.

Where are his words when he's town? He's got less than half this amount.

His suspects all game have been Csargo (early game, and now), GH, and Zack. That's all.

Csargo could even be scum. Like, I don't even know if he's voted for a townie so far this game. And he's trying to influence people about this much: zero.

Let me check the other games. I don't remember him being especially wordy, but I'll look.

This game was more than a decade ago. If nowadays he plays once every few years, he won't be tied to many conventions or habits.
I understand the notion of taking the slot by default as less likely scum simply for partner aggression in a low-post space, but the game you pulled up is not evidence for any meta now.

Like, I don't even know if he's voted for a townie so far this game. And he's trying to influence people about this much: zero.

He voted for Barto D1 and Manasi in the D3 hammer. People generally haven't had as many opportunities to vote townies; not a point to hold Csargo alone to. So far Xiahou has voted Zack, GH, and (on D4) Csargo.

LOL wrong thread.

Anyway, he's a bit more talkative in VII, but, only here and there.

Instead, I'm finding this, like in Pirate ship.


This post in Pirate Ship III is basically Xiahou's town meta.

Says a reason or asks why it's not wrong, reasoning is super straightforward, or simply a declaration they're scum. They vote, and generally, he does not unvote.

It's rare that he even moves a vote. When he does, it's because the discussion and evidence has pushed him that way. Otherwise he seems to prefer to vote whoever he thinks is scummy once a round,

whether they're being voted already or not. This, plus a few or a couple examples each game where he strings together a few sentences.

Usually a couple separate topics involved, so he's only on any one topic for a sentence or two. But then he returns to one-liners, which are sporadic.

His scum meta was much denser, and involved more shading and persuasion attempts and fewer one liners. And there's a clear difference in intent.

There are clear attempts to control the outcome of the game, from his vantage point of not saying a whole lot, by changing minds and making arguments to push townies in a direction.

In other words, my guess is, Xiahou!scum would have repeated such an attempt here, and said things to push the game in any direction. To persuade the rest of us where to go.

Instead, he's content to come out of the shadows like a ninja, attack someone, and slip back in.

And that's what he does as town. He's not about that controlling the discussion life.

Xiahou is a ninja assassin as town, and his scum game involves visible intent to change course.

I believe he'd change course on Zack or GH or not target them in the first place.

Or it's player-meta, not alignment-meta.

Opening post this game.

Keep in mind, Zack had gotten votes on D1. He had been voted more than once and been shaded by a couple of people before this vote.

But he was also not lock scum or a lost cause nor did he have a big wagon at the time. In fact reinoe had unvoted him.

This is just a bizarre place to put a vote if Xiahou is scum. Timing-wise, plus the fact that he's just not someone who unvotes.

This was a voting Zack to death vote, when Zack was going super hard.

Xiahou lock town based off of this one post alone, and I'm serious about that lock. Look at the context.

Look at his meta and who he is. Look at who Zack is. That's not someone you bus d1. It goes against every single mafia principle.

Why does Xiahou care who Zack is?

So then... Csargo?

As with my other votes, it's more gut feeling than deep analysis- but I just feel like he's trying too hard at being vanilla.

Slaan gives me a little bit of a scummy vibe too- but glancing at the analysis of others, he at least appears to have a little data to support a town claim.

Otherwise... I guess it's just someone who's been flying beneath the radar all game?

On the other hand, Csargo's been read as not trying at all, and this being non-indicative at worst.

You yourself have gone under the radar.

Monty's been under the radar / in a lot of towns and did suggest tying chox/logic. Hiding in plain sight.

In any case I have my 6 townies and 3 scums and I feel a lot more secure in them than I did before.

Monty/Slaan earned their town leans, but Csargo didn't. Sloppy pizza.

I don't think I tend to be UTR anymore. Not for years.

He didn't.

I'm laffin.

An advanced search suggests he didn't vote anyone in the game except Manasi D3. (This isn't contesting your read, I've also town-read Cuth since my ISO.)