Chess - Game Thread [Concluded]

[Dp101]

Hint: Vote for Logic. It's the first move in a 3 or 4 move checkmate, don't know which. I didn't check it with a computer and I'm old.

You do realise that in your meta analysis of yourself, you said that in your scum game, you avoid doing much early, right? Because this continued cavorting around without purpose or analysis definitely looks to me like not doing that much.

[Zack]

I like dp

[Dp101]

I like dp

S P I C Y

[Dp101]

Also I've been consistantly running into the 20 second min time between posts and wandering off to do something else in the meantime, I think I've played too much on MU and have become corrupted.

[Zack]

S P I C Y

vote: dp

[Dp101]

vote: dp

Finally, I was almost starting to call you on it and call it a reaction test.

[Dp101]

Finally, I was almost starting to call you on it and call it a reaction test.

*almost starting to think of calling you on it and calling it a reaction test.

[Zack]

Finally, I was almost starting to call you on it and call it a reaction test.

sorry, I was watching trump stress me out by roping every damn turn playing razakus priest then not being able to finish because he waited too long

[Montmorency]

Wait, so DP, that "reaction test" was independent of Zack's actions this game? I don't understand. And why does it make him townier if he's voting you now?

[Askthepizzaguy]

You do realise that in your meta analysis of yourself, you said that in your scum game, you avoid doing much early, right? Because this continued cavorting around without purpose or analysis definitely looks to me like not doing that much.

INCORRECT!

So far I've done among the most work out of anyone. Plus, the moves are good. It's better to make good moves than a bunch of bad ones like Monty.

[Dp101]

INCORRECT!

So far I've done among the most work out of anyone. Plus, the moves are good. It's better to make good moves than a bunch of bad ones like Monty.

Doing work and wrapping it in so many jokes and references that it's impossible to read is very hard to distinguish from pretending to do work. I'll try to read your logic post again to see if it makes sense, but I know for sure that I didn't get it my first time through.

[Montmorency]

INCORRECT!

So far I've done among the most work out of anyone. Plus, the moves are good. It's better to make good moves than a bunch of bad ones like Monty.

:C
@Logic, what do you think of what Pizza is doing, and what do you think of DP's reaction to what Pizza is doing?

[Askthepizzaguy]

:C
@Logic, what do you think of what Pizza is doing, and what do you think of DP's reaction to what Pizza is doing?

I don't mean it. You're my Ken West this game.

[Logic]

:C
@Logic, what do you think of what Pizza is doing, and what do you think of DP's reaction to what Pizza is doing?

I don't get it. I've not seen pizza play like this before. I know everything he does has a purpose, but here it feels like he is just playing by the seat if his pants. I'm confused, but I don't know if am am more or less so than Dp.

[Logic]

S P I C Y

Why do you keep saying that?

INCORRECT!

You can't live with option 1. Bam!

Touché. I see you use my turn of a phrase against me!

I don't get it. I've not seen pizza play like this before. I know everything he does has a purpose, but here it feels like he is just playing by the seat if his pants. I'm confused, but I don't know if I am more or less so than Dp.

EDIT

[Dp101]

Why do you keep saying that?

I said it a whole bunch as a wolf in a game on MU that Zack just ran, and I wanted to see how many times I could do it before I could get a reaction out of him/debated with myself if him not giving any kind of reaction was a wolf tell.

[Zack]

wait I thought you only said spicy just that once

I looked at your iso and ctrl+f, didn't see it

[GeneralHankerchief]

Zack and dp look okay, Zack seems really natural and flow-y and Dp seems uncomfortable so far which is pretty solidly in his town meta.

Everyone else is either null or confusing.

[Zack]

Zack and dp look okay, Zack seems really natural and flow-y and Dp seems uncomfortable so far which is pretty solidly in his town meta.

Everyone else is either null or confusing.

What do you look for to identify me as a wolf?

asking for afriend

[Askthepizzaguy]

Zack and dp look okay, Zack seems really natural and flow-y and Dp seems uncomfortable so far which is pretty solidly in his town meta.

Everyone else is either null or confusing.

The computer agrees with your analysis.

Solid!

[Dp101]

Zack and dp look okay, Zack seems really natural and flow-y and Dp seems uncomfortable so far which is pretty solidly in his town meta.

Everyone else is either null or confusing.

Man, if I ever develop a stronger, more confident town game, I'm going to need to be prepared for endless mislynches as a result.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Zack and dp look okay, Zack seems really natural and flow-y and Dp seems uncomfortable so far which is pretty solidly in his town meta.

Everyone else is either null or confusing.

Yeah, dp's lock town. Take this read to the bank.

I also think it's highly likely that one or more of the people pushing him are mafia, because I literally came out and said the exact thing that Dp did w/r/t Pizza in fewer words and I'm taking ~no heat for it.

That's exactly what I'm saying. I think if it was an honest push on dp, the people making it would be roping me in as well and painting us with the same brush. Since I've pretty much escaped heat for it, I think the more likely explanation is that it's a calculated push designed to go after the person more likely to be mislynched (sorry dp).

Either that or it's just a lazy read in the first place because it's not a real read to begin with.

Here's where I'm at right now:

I think Zack and Dp are still town.

(snip)

Kage, follow me onto Cuth, his vote on Dp was bad.

Nah, not really buying this.

For starters I don't think Logic is mafia, it was pretty easy to shade him in the endgame of Pokemon and I'm detecting a lot of the same stuff here.

Secondly you're putting way too much emphasis on a single scumread of yours, half of your townies are simply the people who joined your wagon for goodness sake.

Stop tunneling, spread out, and read the whole game besides your black/white dichotomy on Logic and Csargo to a lesser extent. You're better than this regardless of alignment.

Okay your Kage post was better, but I think you're still tunneling/lacking context. Kage is Kage, Logic is Logic, and one of them is definitely more naturally uncomfortable.

I mean, how many times does someone call a naturally suspicious looking person a wolf 1/3 into d1, literally almost the entire game says "sure bud" and votes him, and they actually flip wolf?

Yeah, this is pretty much where I'm at. Let's diversify.

My context on Logic is way better than anyone else's.
Look for yourself. Pick a game, any game. Pizza's Logic=Townie challenge.

I'll check it out at some point in the phase, sure. But I'm not going to change my read on him in the meantime just because you told me to.

Who are you looking at then?

Well, now that I'm finally live, some combination of Fred, Barto, and Reinoe. I'd also like to stay live for a little while.

In your experience, how often has the consensus lynch choice halfway through a D1 been correct?

And what do you mean "unfortunately?" If you're town you're not hemmed into any particular read here, you get to say what you want.

Winston, thoughts on Fred's "unfortunately"?

I mean, the interpretation/paraphrase that makes most sense to me is the following:

There are two wagons right now, Logic and Barto. I'm scumreading Barto more than Logic but am fine with either lynch. Unfortunately I'm still going to vote Logic despite my greater scumread of Logic.

It just... doesn't make sense from town? It's almost like he's trying to appease Pizza.

This is super lazy, you should vote for your biggest scumread regardless of context except for very specific exceptions.

This isn't one of them.

Town's job is to use the time available to rebalance the information equation in its favour.

Scum's job is to ensure town guesses wrong at eod.

For the town part you're generally correct, but I think you're oversimplifying the mafia's job. There's a lot more nuance to it, working on multiple levels to ensure both short and longterm success.

Luckily all I have to do is just say what's on my mind this game.

GH
Logic
El Barto
Manasi
choxorn

scumpile

@reinoe

I'm somewhere around here right now:

Zack
Kage
Monty

Dp101
reinoe
Slaan
Logic
Winston
ATPG

---town line---

Csargo
Xiahou
Cuth
Fredwood
El Barto

Choxorn
Manasi

~~~~~~
(snip)

Logic has a larger sample size than Xiahou to judge, and he's acting in line with his town meta as per the context of the game as I mentioned yesterday.

No idea about the other issue unfortunately. Just one of those things.

I'm bored.

Vote: Choxorn

I pretty much had my big post about Choxorn already, the long story short of it is I don't think he's within his town meta.

Here's the link

With less than 30 mins to go:

Out of principle, I'm staying on Choxorn.

I mean, when have CFDs ever helped anyone. They always seem to exchange a reasonable lynch option for one that is essentially rand.

I seem to recall you being the successful target of one in Jabbz's game.

And I don't think this is something you would forget either.

Vote: Dp101

Join me.

In all seriousness he's been on the business end of CFDs at least twice, one of them directly and he still pulls out that line.

I just can't believe you'd ever actually have that thought considering your own personal track record.

VOTE DP DO IT

Chinese Fire Drill - last second lynch on someone who previously wasn't in contention, usually because you don't have a good feeling about things.

Or if somebody slips up.

Yeah.

Current self-portrait:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Good job, everyone.

Nah, I remember me being one of your towns midway through D1. Lose the roleplay and give me an honest summary.

Crow is tastier than what you were trying to serve up at end of day, you slimy scumball.

[Cuthillius]

I don't get it. I've not seen pizza play like this before. I know everything he does has a purpose, but here it feels like he is just playing by the seat if his pants. I'm confused, but I don't know if am am more or less so than Dp.

this post feels mildly discredit-y

[GeneralHankerchief]

I'm bored.

Vote: Choxorn

[Kagemusha]

I'm bored.

Vote: Choxorn

Why? :D

[El Barto]

I'm highly suspicious of Cho, rest is fine

So why are you not voting somebody of whom you are highly suspicious?

I'm bored.

Vote: Choxorn

If you need help with British idioms, ask Winston, but I will say that this is very boring of you.

[Zack]

So far I've done among the most work out of anyone.