Chess - Game Thread [Concluded]

[Winston Hughes]

More than a few people have ssaid DP's posts are good/townie. Why though? I'm not ruling out that he has a style I just don't like so enlighten me if you could.

chox can be extremely pure as scum, so I certainly wouldn't jump to call him town by any kind of tonal read.

[Logic]

And where does the thought of Slaan not being a wolf stems from? Do you know him from other games/forums or what are you basing on that assumption?

I read his iso. To me, it looks more like a townie toeing the waters on a new group of people than someone with hidden information.

Tempting, but the problem with lynching pizza D1 is that it's usually only possible when he's town.

Winston, this... looks odd. It sounds to me like a willingness to lynch pizza, but an admission that you know he's town.

[Winston Hughes]

Winston, this... looks odd. It sounds to me like a willingness to lynch pizza, but an admission that you know he's town.

Just experience talking. As much as I want to keep pizza under pressure, I'm leery of actually lynching him because, historically, it's been a very bad move.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Just experience talking. As much as I want to keep pizza under pressure, I'm leery of actually lynching him because, historically, it's been a very bad move.

Capture that piece, Winston. It's not safe. Also don't talk to your opponent during the game!

[Winston Hughes]

Capture that piece, Winston. It's not safe.

I do so hate it when I end up sheeping you. Especially when you turn out to be right.

It's even worse than when I call you as scum and nobody listens.

Also don't talk to your opponent during the game!

Awww. Where's the fun in that?

[Askthepizzaguy]

I do so hate it when I end up sheeping you. Especially when you turn out to be right.

I know. I was 100 percent just gonna focus on rping this guy, and I honestly didn't even give a shit about even playing a good game.

Logic exposed himself quickly and I was very sure, I had to say something. Csargo's reaction and subsequent posts indicate badly.

Also several people playing very well and readably. I'm still gonna rp and I don't care that much if I'm wrong but this opening is good for white so I'm gonna take it.

I was this ready to coast until d2, though. I usually don't do well on d1 but I think this isn't that game. Sorry to hog some of the spotlight or ninja you on some conclusions. Less fun if you didn't think of it first.

Awww. Where's the fun in that?

Good point.

I'll allow it if it's a casual game. Just do more trash talking. Solid!

[Dp101]

I wonder if Pizza will post less if I give in and sheep him Vote: Logic

[Askthepizzaguy]

I read his iso. To me, it looks more like a townie toeing the waters on a new group of people than someone with hidden information.


Winston, this... looks odd. It sounds to me like a willingness to lynch pizza, but an admission that you know he's town.

INCORRECT AND EXTREMELY SUSPECT!!!!

Passive aggression! Checkmate Logic today or leave your King exposed! Those are your options, class.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I read his iso. To me, it looks more like a townie toeing the waters on a new group of people than someone with hidden information.

By contrast, this is Logic barely clearing a hurdle Kage put in his path.

That lack of depth and generic thought is too thin for him, it doesn't match the earlier comment. "I don't see Slaan as a wolf" is too definitive in my opinion to be paired with the question of why answered by "He looks like a townie in a new group of people".

That's paper thin. As is his entire facade. Lynch Logic today always.

[Montmorency]

what blunder in his opening

he talked about video games

I think your odds of being right are exactly 25%

So you think there are 4 scum and Logic is ~rand?

Honestly, Pizza is close to reprising his XCOM performance. Pizza read Logic very well last game, when he made independent stands and reached out to people (though Logic may have a tendency as town to decline in confidence over time). I can't give any good reasons not to lynch Logic, but Csargo - Pizza, do you remember Jabbz' Sorcery game? Csargo was similarly low-energy and recalcitrant, even continuously under pressure as a POE candidate. Maybe he's just not into it?

This thread has gotten really difficult to read.

Vote: Askthepizzaguy

I think Manasi spends a fair amount of time talking about her teammates as scum. She hasn't so far, and a vote on Pizza now is tactically useless. So she's not scum unless the current top candidates are totally wrong - but even then I doubt she fools around this way.

yes

disinterest in figuring things out is a wolf tell of yours

He's only been here a few posts. Rather early to say, which is one legit complaint against Pizza's certainty on Logic, at least earlier on.

I like you far more today than yesterday.

It's a standard reaction to Barto by newcomers, a good sign here because an aggressive no-nonsense character tends to be hostile to Barto at first glance.



Wait a sec, Pizza, you didn't review my wall from a little while back.

[Zack]

So you think there are 4 scum and Logic is ~rand?

yes

Honestly, Pizza is close to reprising his XCOM performance. Pizza read Logic very well last game, when he made independent stands and reached out to people (though Logic may have a tendency as town to decline in confidence over time). I can't give any good reasons not to lynch Logic, but Csargo - Pizza, do you remember Jabbz' Sorcery game? Csargo was similarly low-energy and recalcitrant, even continuously under pressure as a POE candidate. Maybe he's just not into it?

who do you want to lynch rn?

I think Manasi spends a fair amount of time talking about her teammates as scum. She hasn't so far, and a vote on Pizza now is tactically useless. So she's not scum unless the current top candidates are totally wrong - but even then I doubt she fools around this way.

???

He's only been here a few posts. Rather early to say, which is one legit complaint against Pizza's certainty on Logic, at least earlier on.

when I was a wolf with him, literally all he would do is pop in, complain the number of posts, do nothing useful, and leave. Sound familiar?

[Montmorency]

yes


who do you want to lynch rn?



???



when I was a wolf with him, literally all he would do is pop in, complain the number of posts, do nothing useful, and leave. Sound familiar?

I don't feel any urgency to lynch right now, since half the day is ahead and a number of nulls like Choxorn, Cuth, Barto, and Xiahou remain to sort out. The case against Logic is relatively good for D1, and we need to see him respond against all those nulls. Right now I'm fine continuing to vote you.

Re Manasi: I mean that she would be putting out observations or prods toward her teammates, and she doesn't seem to be observing or prodding much of anyone so far, other than joking with you as usual.

Re: Barto, yes, and he never broke out of it and got lynched. So? That took 2 or 3 days to fill out.

[Zack]

I don't feel any urgency to lynch right now, since half the day is ahead and a number of nulls like Choxorn, Cuth, Barto, and Xiahou remain to sort out. The case against Logic is relatively good for D1, and we need to see him respond against all those nulls. Right now I'm fine continuing to vote you.

Re Manasi: I mean that she would be putting out observations or prods toward her teammates, and she doesn't seem to be observing or prodding much of anyone so far, other than joking with you as usual.

Re: Barto, yes, and he never broke out of it and got lynched. So? That took 2 or 3 days to fill out.

The way you are treating logic and barto is contradictory?

I don't really agree with your meta-reasoning on manasi, or your description of her so far. Her second post of the game i think had a few observatiosn.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Wait a sec, Pizza, you didn't review my wall from a little while back.

I admittedly skimmed it.

I have you in a pseudotown limbo state where I think if I put in the work I'd be able to see why you're townie, but not conclusively because when is it ever conclusive with you, and you're tough that way. And putting in 30-60 minutes on you just to have a kinda town read on you just... feels wasteful.

You post enough where sorting you will be easier after there's a vote record for you. Your tone in either alignment and walls look so similar. You're a very good wolf. I don't think I'll be alive at the point where I'd be able to read you conclusively one way or the other. Truth be told I could have 4 days of solid work from you and I'm not sure.

You're not deviating strongly from where I'd expect you to be. Zack actually has more solving content and even posts than I feel he typically does. That's being said even with the assumption that he can do this as scum and I've seen it happen. I don't think he'll do it every game he rands scum. His style is too easy to replicate with fewer posts. Basically he's putting himself through a big hassle voluntarily, clearing the hurdle and thensome.

Gotta give him town points for WIM but it isn't just that, it can never be just that with Zack. I even think he could be chasing scums now.

My time and energy was just more productively spent elsewhere in that moment, with your wall. I'll go look again now tho.

[Zack]

His style is too easy to replicate with fewer posts.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Think to your champs performance or any game where you posted a little as scum, and got no flak for it really.

Certainly not by me. And a lot of your town games are up and down postcount wise as well.

You can very easily phone it in on an early round, you choose not to.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Pizza, do you remember Jabbz' Sorcery game? Csargo was similarly low-energy and recalcitrant, even continuously under pressure as a POE candidate. Maybe he's just not into it?

Yes, with Csargo this can happen. More indicative I think is when and why he's acted, than his overall attitude and tone. But it doesn't help.

I feel like he's miserable, but I could be wrong about that. He also can simply be playing it low key so he can bring out the big guns later. But right now he needs to act like a townie and he's not, and I think he flinched when I went after Logic.

The roleplaying itself was probable to draw me votes if I voted a scum. It wasn't why I did it but I kept it in mind, to look at the people voting me and sort which of them were town. I think I got those folks' alignment right so far, comparing that with their body of work. Zack looks townie for it, Csargo doesn't, and the rest of their posts match up with that assessment.

[Askthepizzaguy]

He's not a huge talker, but he has actual thoughts he can defend with reasoning, offered freely and specifically, when he's town.

It looks similar but it's the difference between Logic and a cardboard cutout of Logic. Take your picture with him, you won't see him again after today.

[Zack]

By contrast, this is Logic barely clearing a hurdle Kage put in his path.

That lack of depth and generic thought is too thin for him, it doesn't match the earlier comment. "I don't see Slaan as a wolf" is too definitive in my opinion to be paired with the question of why answered by "He looks like a townie in a new group of people".

That's paper thin. As is his entire facade. Lynch Logic today always.

That is paper thin.

[Askthepizzaguy]

The finale, not the qualifier.

[Askthepizzaguy]

That is paper thin.

INCORRECT!

[GeneralHankerchief]

By contrast, this is Logic barely clearing a hurdle Kage put in his path.

That lack of depth and generic thought is too thin for him, it doesn't match the earlier comment. "I don't see Slaan as a wolf" is too definitive in my opinion to be paired with the question of why answered by "He looks like a townie in a new group of people".

That's paper thin. As is his entire facade. Lynch Logic today always.

Okay your Kage post was better, but I think you're still tunneling/lacking context. Kage is Kage, Logic is Logic, and one of them is definitely more naturally uncomfortable.

[Fredwood]

FINALLY, a dissenting opinion about Logic.

[Zack]

FINALLY, a dissenting opinion about Logic.

what am i, chopped liver

[Fredwood]

what am i, chopped liver

No, you're at least Corned Beef. I thought your logic stance was not as strong as a scum read, but were willing to lynch. GH is the first person to call Logic not mafia.

If it's two, then cool



More victory dances.

[Zack]

I mean, how many times does someone call a naturally suspicious looking person a wolf 1/3 into d1, literally almost the entire game says "sure bud" and votes him, and they actually flip wolf?

[Slaan]

I mean, how many times does someone call a naturally suspicious looking person a wolf 1/3 into d1, literally almost the entire game says "sure bud" and votes him, and they actually flip wolf?

Is it the entire game? Isnt it rather just one very loud voice that 2 others (Kage + dp) sheeped and now more recently I added myself to that list... am I missing someone? I don't see this being unlikely tbh

[GeneralHankerchief]

I mean, how many times does someone call a naturally suspicious looking person a wolf 1/3 into d1, literally almost the entire game says "sure bud" and votes him, and they actually flip wolf?

Yeah, this is pretty much where I'm at. Let's diversify.

[Slaan]

Fred why am I your top town read?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Okay your Kage post was better, but I think you're still tunneling/lacking context. Kage is Kage, Logic is Logic, and one of them is definitely more naturally uncomfortable.

My context on Logic is way better than anyone else's.

Look for yourself. Pick a game, any game. Pizza's Logic=Townie challenge.