Chess - Game Thread [Concluded]

[Winston Hughes]

Vote: Logic

Reviewing my reactions, he seems the closest thing to an actual scumread.

[GeneralHankerchief]

I want to hear more from these people about the initial round:

FOS

6. El Barto
7. Montmorency
9. Cuthillius
13. Choxorn
16. Xiahou

Kage, follow me onto Cuth, his vote on Dp was bad.

[Kagemusha]

So be it. Unvote and Vote: Cuthillius

[Sooh]

Vote count:

Pizza (2): Zack, Csargo

Cuthillius (2): GH, Kagemusha

Zack (2): Montmorency, Reinoe,

Logic (2): Pizza, Winston Hughes

Reinoe (2): Dp101, Fredwood

Kagemusha (1): Logic

Csargo (1): Slaan

Not voting (5): El Barto, Cuthillius, Manasi, Choxorn, Xiahou,

With 17 players there are 9 to hammer.


EOD1:

[Dp101]

Here for a bit. Zack and GH are even more solidly town. I agree that Cuth’s popin was mediocre but I’m not sure that that’s damming, from the sounds of his posts it seems like he wants to prioritise sleep over more mafia. Csargo is underwhelming to an extreme degree this game and I can’t tell why. I do not understand Kage, overall not comfortable really making a read on him.

[Kagemusha]

Kage, follow me onto Cuth, his vote on Dp was bad.

Now that ive used this brave new ISO method for the first time to Cuth. He is smelling like rotten scum to me. Pushing, but not quite pushing, trying to connect a bit, making excuses..Best bet for scum so far.

[Choxorn]

These takes are pretty lukewarm.

That was the joke.

I haven't played chess since about the time that avatar was made. So, a decade or so? I've never considered myself very good. I'm capable of beating my parents and


Hmm. Why do you get a feeling that no one else seems to?


Logic's 10-minute take:
DP is town. DP is not teamed with Pizza, or Zack.

Csargo and Pizza are not teamed. One could be a wolf, but I don't think both.

Pizza feels really weird from normal. I can usually understand him a little, but here, he feels like he is playing 9 moves ahead to my 4. Not sure if he's on my team or not. I stand by my "seat of the pants" statement from earlier.

Cuth jumps in with some slight shade at DP. Is he suspicious of DP?

Kage shows up with what looks like a lazy vote on Slaan. Possibly a joke, but I think there's a more than reasonable chance that Kage is mafia.

Reinoe is the current target of DP's ire, and he is voting for me, (full disclosure, that that vote isn't being counted because it isn't bolded)

His vote on me looks like it stems only from Pizza's accusation. Not sure if sheeping, or he has other reasons for voting for me.

[b]Vote: Kagemusha[b/]

Don't like this post. Hard to say way, it just sorta rubs me the wrong way. Call it gut feeling, I guess.

[Logic]

logic -- what do you think of the townreads kage has been getting?

@Zack
Unless I missed something, only GH and Winston have given Kage a townread.

They seem to know him, whereas I recognize his name. I'm not putting a ton of stock into other's town reads just yet, but this gulf between myself and those 2 tells me either I am way off in my suspicions, or should be looking closer at all 3.

[Montmorency]

Note: Winston and Zack feel better individually as my responses below indicate, but this just elevates the possibility of m/m.

I feel like you posted this exact pic as mafia before in a similar situation.

I feel like you were more active at least slightly in your self-defense in X-Com, I guess I should re-read that.

People re: Csargo, but you can't really judge by last game's performance. He's currently low-energy baseline for Csargo and that has tended to be town.

And that gif was deployed in the Pokemon game, right? He was v engaged scum.

That's exactly what I'm saying. I think if it was an honest push on dp, the people making it would be roping me in as well and painting us with the same brush. Since I've pretty much escaped heat for it, I think the more likely explanation is that it's a calculated push designed to go after the person more likely to be mislynched (sorry dp).

Either that or it's just a lazy read in the first place because it's not a real read to begin with.

I wouldn't be so sure. After all, you are not literally DP, so your similar beheavior (not identical!) is placed in a different context. [reinoe addressed this]



@Winston

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

For starters, off the top of my head:

I've observed Zack being a somewhat relaxed version of his usual self, making me want to keep poking him until the cracks show.

I've observed pizza doing the kind of thing that tends to put him under suspicion on D1 as town, but with a certain knowingness about it that makes me question just how many layers he's working through.

I've observed Dp101 looking like his awkward townie self.

I've observed GH playing it cool, but giving hints of underlying reservation.

I agree with this.

This is pretty much exactly what I said about Csargo D1 in the last game, where he was town and I was scum.

Not sure how to feel about that.

You and Manasi were partners that game. But Manasi isn't you.

Either that, or he and Zack are scumbuddies (shades of Monty+pizza in Futuramafia?)

As long as Pizza and I are on the same team, we are undefeatable. Except in XCOM. And kind of French Revolution.

Kind of vulnerable against lone wolves, perhaps.

I've got positive vibes on both Manasi and Kage, both on first read and ISO.

Can't really explain why, though, so let's call it 'tonal' for the time being.

Kage's old-school nonchalant, but in old-school days that could easily be scum. In New Org days and ways, it's a towny presentation.

Just experience talking. As much as I want to keep pizza under pressure, I'm leery of actually lynching him because, historically, it's been a very bad move.

Don't lynch Pizza. He says the new rule of thumb is lynch him on D3, and if you couldn't lynch him that means you absolutely must lynch him D4. And if you can't lynch him D4, GG.

Very tempting, but there’s a tell he hasn’t dropped yet.

What's the tell that Pizza hasn't dropped yet?

No, I'm not saying logic is scum therefore zack is scum.

1. Logic is scum independently of Zack.

2. Zack has talked to everything that moves except logic. Therefore they're either masons/scum/neighbors. I stated this once already. Either way they're talking to each other OOT and thus have no reason to talk in thread.

3. Zack is scummy independent of Zack.

They are not necessarily scum together but somehow they are talking to each other.

Does this logic (lowercase) proceed specifically because Logic and Zack were not interacting and Zack had interacted with everyone else (not sure if that's actually the case at this point), or would it also apply to Logic? That is, if you analyzed all of Logic's interactions, would you find team-mates among the set of people he may not have interacted with?

I think reinoe could have sensed DP as someone he could push around and went for the throat. Kicking the puppy, as Renata and I think Monty have described it in the past. The level of being an abrasive, "I do what I want and I'm not nice about it!!!" feels overblown, like it's a performance. No person actually behaves like this unless it's an affectation.

Well, I think the DP analysis is insightful, but I don't know about "no person actually behaves like this"... Laughs aside, there was dicetosser in Representative Democracy. OTOH dicetosser was non-stop confrontational, so that consistency could be something to compare against reinoe later. As of now, reinoe fits well in the town-play mold of visitors like Severing Viper and a couple of other people.

I mean, I believe you gh

but I don't think you'd like about that regardless of your alignment

I guess it's just more about setting my expectations in this game for you. I got burned pretty hard in Pokemon, and outside of that I seem to always find something vaguely wolfy about you (e.g. the alias turbo where we called each other wolves until figuring it out at the very, very end).

I want to get better at reading you.

I tend to have a low-level desire to lynch GH, but I've gotten it wrong every time when that opportunity has presented itself. Then the one game I found the perfect tell, I couldn't seal the deal.

[El Barto]

So, apparently I have to read through five centuries of posts. !


Are we using chess notation?

[Winston Hughes]

Vote: El Barto

[Askthepizzaguy]

Hot Takes:

Dp101's posts are good

Csargo's are scummy

Zack, Pizza, Winston, and Monty all being themselves, more or less

Correct! Dunno about the last two, haven't analyzed them fully yet. That's a complicated variation and it could easily go either way.

Choxorn at +1

[Winston Hughes]

As the player with the best record of reading me correctly (not that it's ever helped you much, El Cassandra), I'm looking forward to your take on my current alignment.

[Askthepizzaguy]

WALLS OF TEXT ON PAGE FIVE

Zack's good, Csargo is good, DP is good.

Pizza slightly scummy for read on reinoe after they had only posted like 3 times sassing Zack.

Speaking of which I'm going to scum read reinoe for wall of texting.

Just because I think it'll make voxx mad.

INCORRECT!

[Askthepizzaguy]

I feel like Slaan is less comfortable than he should be (given that he's played with a lot of people in this game), so chances he randed wolf in his first org game pretty high.

Meh. This is a little iffy.

[Winston Hughes]

#Winstontoostrong

I am so screwed.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Why?

Hot take:

Reinoe is like Bobby Fischer. Good chess player but maybe not someone you wanna have a cup of tea and a long conversation with.

Less kibitzing with reinoe, very distracting.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Csargo's agreement with Rein doesn't feel right either, he agrees with the inaccurate part of his post but not the rest of it?

Correct!

Vote: Reinoe

INCORRECT!

[Askthepizzaguy]

how do u feel about the voxx alt zaccino

INCORRECT!

[Askthepizzaguy]

I demand something! Not quite sure what, but im a genius!I was a chessmaster even before i could grow beard and still i get no recognition even a single analyze for my vote for that insolent Slaan,who knows nothing about the finesse of the Org skins! This is scandalous!

Correction, Kagemusha might actually have randed Bobby Fischer.

reinoe just more like Bobby Fischer.

Kagemusha, if you're a genius grandmaster, you agree. Vote Csargo or vote Logic.

[Winston Hughes]

How you feel about Cuth, pizza?

[Askthepizzaguy]

I haven't played chess since about the time that avatar was made. So, a decade or so? I've never considered myself very good. I'm capable of beating my parents and


Hmm. Why do you get a feeling that no one else seems to?


Logic's 10-minute take:
DP is town. DP is not teamed with Pizza, or Zack.

Csargo and Pizza are not teamed. One could be a wolf, but I don't think both.

Pizza feels really weird from normal. I can usually understand him a little, but here, he feels like he is playing 9 moves ahead to my 4. Not sure if he's on my team or not. I stand by my "seat of the pants" statement from earlier.

Cuth jumps in with some slight shade at DP. Is he suspicious of DP?

Kage shows up with what looks like a lazy vote on Slaan. Possibly a joke, but I think there's a more than reasonable chance that Kage is mafia.

Reinoe is the current target of DP's ire, and he is voting for me, (full disclosure, that that vote isn't being counted because it isn't bolded)

His vote on me looks like it stems only from Pizza's accusation. Not sure if sheeping, or he has other reasons for voting for me.

[b]Vote: Kagemusha[b/]

Logic definitely playing with the black pieces. Kagemusha playing with the white pieces much greater than rand imo. Not fully analyzed of course, but still solid. Logic almost certainly not on my chess team.

Pizza willing to sac a queen to checkmate Logic. Check Logic or check me, thunderdome. RAAAAAAAWWWRRRR!!!!!

[Askthepizzaguy]

Another one who cant understand what true strategy is.Truly illogical! Unvote and Vote: Logic . Though i will get you for your slander Slaan, sooner rather then later!

Correct!

Slaander? Hey, I'm the one that makes the bad puns around here.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Also, professional manasi readers, what’s her alignment this time. I know that apparently her meta is only to care about the game if she’s scum, but I’m not sure if this amount of posts from her counts as caring about the game. She feels more solvey than normal.

Little iffy, not solid. Question mark. Haven't checked it with a computer. Haven't read past this post since I'm old and lazy.

[Askthepizzaguy]

One seemingly random vote for something very minuscule, and not related to the game? Yeah, I thought it was a tell. Especially since I don't see Slaan as a wolf.

INCORRECT!

Logic at minus 9 now.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm only now starting to realise how good my impression of my town game was in the first day of that last game.

If I wasn't me, I'd suspect me right now.

This could prove problematic.

INCORRECT!

[El Barto]

Vote: El Barto

??

vote: Winston Hughes

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm wary of being affected by pizza's mystical bit, but reading Logic's ISO suggests an underlying sense of control that wasn't there in previous games.

Correct!

Opportunistic, passive aggressive. Scummy. Position is very weak, RAAAAAAWWWRRR

[Winston Hughes]

??

vote: Winston Hughes

Never change.

Vote: Logic

[Askthepizzaguy]

Can we lynch pizza for all the chess references?

Not before move 3.

I'll have 2 captured black pieces by then, and uh.... y'all won't be lynching me then. Plus I'll be captured by the black pieces.