Chess - Game Thread [Concluded]

[Zack]

Logic is straightforward. He can't hide in plain sight when he's a town power role, he just kind of vanishes. He has real thoughts as town that people sometimes dismiss for being too A ---> B, and as scum he's just kinda... like this. Not confident enough to battle, more liable to undercut or smudge, passive aggressive stuff. No depth, generic posts, catchable under pressure.

I don't think he can break out of this pattern since he's been at this for years. Logic is who he is. He needs someone who knows how to read him when he's town otherwise he's mislynch bait. He can hide under the radar if you don't push him as scum. He tenses up when he's got a town pr or scum role.

I'm confused, logic has only played a few games here

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm confused, logic has only played a few games here

I played often with him on his home board.

Style is exactly the same and he's a long time player there.

[Csargo]

You'd be right that I'm annoyed/not enjoying this game pizza. I'm busy with school/work, so I'm super tired all the time now. I'm not entirely sure what happened with the Zack thing initially, I didn't think I contradicted myself, but such is life. It spiraled after that, I'm just not having a good time.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm doing a quick iso of XCOM just to see how right I am about that, even though I know.

I'm on page 14 and he's accused a ton of folks, in every single case, it has been level one, what he says is what he means, unambiguous, not passive aggressive, directly straightforward suspicion. I think X is scum. Upon further analysis, I feel less sure he's scum. And so on.

Logic isn't Logic this game. He's illogical, and that has no place in a chess game. Snap up the loose queen, guys.

[Askthepizzaguy]

You'd be right that I'm annoyed/not enjoying this game pizza. I'm busy with school/work, so I'm super tired all the time now. I'm not entirely sure what happened with the Zack thing initially, I didn't think I contradicted myself, but such is life. It spiraled after that, I'm just not having a good time.

My sympathies.

Seriously. I'm hoping regardless what happens next or your alignment or whatever, you find a way to have fun.

I won't hound you, I've said why I have issues and may vote you in a future round. But I'll try not to make the experience bad for you.

[Slaan]

You'd be right that I'm annoyed/not enjoying this game pizza. I'm busy with school/work, so I'm super tired all the time now. I'm not entirely sure what happened with the Zack thing initially, I didn't think I contradicted myself, but such is life. It spiraled after that, I'm just not having a good time.

Who do you currently look at being mafia? Lets ignore everything that happened so far for now with you and lets look forward together? :)

[Csargo]

Who do you currently look at being mafia? Lets ignore everything that happened so far for now with you and lets look forward together? :)

1. GH
2. Csargo
3. Dp101
4. Pizza
5. Fredwood
6. El Barto
7. Montmorency
8. Zack
9. Cuthillius
10. Manasi
11. Slaan
12. Reinoe
13. Choxorn
14. Winston Hughes
15. Logic
16. Xiahou
17. Kagemusha

Any of the bolded people I'd consider suspicious. Probably throw WH in there for paranoia reasons as well, maybe Zack too for tinfoil reasons.

[Zack]

maybe Zack too for tinfoil reasons.

[Slaan]

1. GH
2. Csargo
3. Dp101
4. Pizza
5. Fredwood
6. El Barto
7. Montmorency
8. Zack
9. Cuthillius
10. Manasi
11. Slaan
12. Reinoe
13. Choxorn
14. Winston Hughes
15. Logic
16. Xiahou
17. Kagemusha

Any of the bolded people I'd consider suspicious. Probably throw WH in there for paranoia reasons as well, maybe Zack too for tinfoil reasons.

Cool

Talk to me about why you think Pizza is mafia :). Also why have Choxorn and Xiahou under suspicion? Kinda seems like you focused (outside of pizza) on low posters or did their posts so far ping you as scummy?

[Csargo]

Cool

Talk to me about why you think Pizza is mafia :). Also why have Choxorn and Xiahou under suspicion? Kinda seems like you focused (outside of pizza) on low posters or did their posts so far ping you as scummy?

It just a gut thing at this point, in regards to pizza, I think there's decent potential for pizza to be mafia. I can see why people are town reading him though, he's playing very similarly to XCOM. I don't think it's the same though, so I have reservations.

This is what Manasi does as scum and probably as town.

I can't read El Barto well.

Choxorn for low posts, can't get a read on him. Same for Xiahou.

I feel like logic is different from XCOM, but I need to iso that game and see.

I'd much rather eliminate people with less posts this early in the game tbh. I can get a much better read on the non-bolded people going forward, less so with the others.

[Askthepizzaguy]

1. GH <----
2. Csargo
3. Dp101
4. Pizza<---
5. Fredwood
6. El Barto
7. Montmorency
8. Zack <----
9. Cuthillius
10. Manasi
11. Slaan
12. Reinoe
13. Choxorn
14. Winston Hughes
15. Logic <----
16. Xiahou
17. Kagemusha

Any of the bolded people I'd consider suspicious. Probably throw WH in there for paranoia reasons as well, maybe Zack too for tinfoil reasons.

"maybe Zack too for tinfoil reasons" <----

Logic was already under heavy pressure at the time. Everyone else in bold flipped townie or is townie.

[Askthepizzaguy]

See the other arrows.

Pizza and Logic both, not something you really believe.

GH and Zack townies.

After they got scum read for the cfd on dp, not townie, but also, can't be scum.

[Askthepizzaguy]

A core element of my gameplay is I do not believe in cases built on exceptions to the rule, I don't believe in winning games as town by coin flip, and I believe you can read anyone who is voting.

I believe the evidence that someone is guilty is in the thread, always, if read correctly. The later in the game, the more accurate you should be able to be.

Any suspect who cannot be found this way, I will never push.

[Fredwood]

I guess the first 72 hours are going to be boring until we keep repeating ourselves about how we're going to lynch Logic, I don't think I've ever seen such a consensus Day 1.

Bart's entrance was sloppy, but I don't think as sloppy as Rein's.

Otherwise I caught up and most of it was Pizza's spam posts, the only other thing is I think I put Slaan solidly at the top of my Town pile. Zack hasn't looked as strong during this catchup, but a part of that may be him just being frustrated and bickering with Pizza and Bart. His assessment of Bart's meta is interesting.


I will address the CSargo thing, I wasn't using his last game as a baseline for his read, I was referring specifically to how he defended himself. His responses to pressure have literally been "cool" or a version of "you got me". In that game whenever it came up Csargo is scum he was more playful and snarky. I'm not talking about his activity, or content outside of his reaction to pressure, which I think it's fair to think for it to be consistent no matter the situation. Still in the end I said I didn't think it was a fair baseline for comparison anyway, so DON'T LECTURE ME.

[Zack]

I guess the first 72 hours are going to be boring until we keep repeating ourselves about how we're going to lynch Logic, I don't think I've ever seen such a consensus Day 1.

Bart's entrance was sloppy, but I don't think as sloppy as Rein's.

Otherwise I caught up and most of it was Pizza's spam posts, the only other thing is I think I put Slaan solidly at the top of my Town pile. Zack hasn't looked as strong during this catchup, but a part of that may be him just being frustrated and bickering with Pizza and Bart. His assessment of Bart's meta is interesting.


I will address the CSargo thing, I wasn't using his last game as a baseline for his read, I was referring specifically to how he defended himself. His responses to pressure have literally been "cool" or a version of "you got me". In that game whenever it came up Csargo is scum he was more playful and snarky. I'm not talking about his activity, or content outside of his reaction to pressure, which I think it's fair to think for it to be consistent no matter the situation. Still in the end I said I didn't think it was a fair baseline for comparison anyway, so DON'T LECTURE ME.

I've been busier and don't actually want to keep up that rate of activity

I did that in the one game with mtgs on MU that was 72/24. It was exhausting and miserable. Can't go hard in the paint 72 hours straight, it's not healthy for me.

[Zack]

and fwiw Pizza is probably just town

I had a theory earlier, but I think by this point it's clear it's just a theory and not actually applicable

[Fredwood]

I've been busier and don't actually want to keep up that rate of activity

I did that in the one game with mtgs on MU that was 72/24. It was exhausting and miserable. Can't go hard in the paint 72 hours straight, it's not healthy for me.

I was more talking about your seeming annoyed by Bart and Pizza which did mess with the flow and content you had earlier. I'm not demanding any type of activity, I don't think I've posted 10 times. Still high up in my town, was just explaining why I'd put Slaan ahead of you now in his own tier.

[Slaan]

So I ISO'd Logic once more to reconsider my case on him... I noticed how pizza basically immediatly went after him and tunneled him ever since, starting Post 169 where he calls his opener sloppy althought he just posted about games during rvs which I don't think is AI since we the topic when he came into the thread were video games.

But then there is his townread on me which is just weird as fuck... I mean I was just shitposting around and I can do that regardless of alignment (check the Orchestrated Chaos game where I also just randomly posted at SoD1)... I mean who can't just post small talk as either alignment. He then gives the reason that he thought I just tipped my foot in the water of new peeps here but how is that ever AI from anyone? There went 0 thought into his townread on me and there is no reason for a towny to do so.

So yea, I'm fine with a Logic lynch today.. in fact let me help

Vote: Logic

Also I'm gonna put Monty back in my null pile after his last couple of posts, they seemed pretty good

[Slaan]

Vote: Logic

+ Unvote: Csargo (duno if thats required but just in case)

[Dp101]

+ Unvote: Csargo (duno if thats required but just in case)

Not required, and actually breaks the automated vote count script that someone made.

[Slaan]

Not required, and actually breaks the automated vote count script that someone made.

woaps

[Askthepizzaguy]

Finished the iso of Logic in XCOM. I know I'm right on this. 70+ posts and 28 pages say the same thing on every page, starkly.

I challenge you to find literally any town game of his where he shaded someone even close to that way.

I don't think it's happened anytime in the past five years at least. This is not a one game meta read, it's not in his town playbook at all.

He's got his ways, I don't think he changed them for this game without an alignment change too.

[Montmorency]

Finished the iso of Logic in XCOM. I know I'm right on this. 70+ posts and 28 pages say the same thing on every page, starkly.

I challenge you to find literally any town game of his where he shaded someone even close to that way.

I don't think it's happened anytime in the past five years at least. This is not a one game meta read, it's not in his town playbook at all.

He's got his ways, I don't think he changed them for this game without an alignment change too.

Well, OK, but you made a meta-meta point on how to correctly interpret within-game and across-career and as someone with a lot of experience with Logic you haven't really explained his scum meta, just how his behavior here is inconsistent with his town meta.

[Csargo]

I guess the first 72 hours are going to be boring until we keep repeating ourselves about how we're going to lynch Logic, I don't think I've ever seen such a consensus Day 1.

Bart's entrance was sloppy, but I don't think as sloppy as Rein's.

Otherwise I caught up and most of it was Pizza's spam posts, the only other thing is I think I put Slaan solidly at the top of my Town pile. Zack hasn't looked as strong during this catchup, but a part of that may be him just being frustrated and bickering with Pizza and Bart. His assessment of Bart's meta is interesting.


I will address the CSargo thing, I wasn't using his last game as a baseline for his read, I was referring specifically to how he defended himself. His responses to pressure have literally been "cool" or a version of "you got me". In that game whenever it came up Csargo is scum he was more playful and snarky. I'm not talking about his activity, or content outside of his reaction to pressure, which I think it's fair to think for it to be consistent no matter the situation. Still in the end I said I didn't think it was a fair baseline for comparison anyway, so DON'T LECTURE ME.

He literally quoted my post and said weak. How should I have responded to that?

[Zack]

He literally quoted my post and said weak. How should I have responded to that?

muscle emoji

[Fredwood]

He literally quoted my post and said weak. How should I have responded to that?

Lol I already retracted the assessment because I looked at the play and felt it wasn't applicable and wasn't using it as a basis to read you. I literally said what I thought in the moment and then researched. I got lectured twice on the statement even though I came to the same conclusion that people were lecturing me on.

[Fredwood]

Literally, Literal, Laterally, deleterious, latissimus dorsi.

Ok I think I've gotten it out of my system

[GeneralHankerchief]

I guess the first 72 hours are going to be boring until we keep repeating ourselves about how we're going to lynch Logic, I don't think I've ever seen such a consensus Day 1.

Bart's entrance was sloppy, but I don't think as sloppy as Rein's.

Otherwise I caught up and most of it was Pizza's spam posts, the only other thing is I think I put Slaan solidly at the top of my Town pile. Zack hasn't looked as strong during this catchup, but a part of that may be him just being frustrated and bickering with Pizza and Bart. His assessment of Bart's meta is interesting.


I will address the CSargo thing, I wasn't using his last game as a baseline for his read, I was referring specifically to how he defended himself. His responses to pressure have literally been "cool" or a version of "you got me". In that game whenever it came up Csargo is scum he was more playful and snarky. I'm not talking about his activity, or content outside of his reaction to pressure, which I think it's fair to think for it to be consistent no matter the situation. Still in the end I said I didn't think it was a fair baseline for comparison anyway, so DON'T LECTURE ME.

I thought Reinoe's entrance was fine. Why didn't you like it?

[Fredwood]

I thought Reinoe's entrance was fine. Why didn't you like it?

Maybe it wasn't his entrance, but it's the first time I noticed him, so I misspoke. My issue was his first content post, and then further his DP post.

His Logic scum read and somewhat associative read with Zack but pushing Zack before Logic.

He said independently that he has a scum read on Zack, buuuuut, the read he gave was inaccurate, he accused him of OMGUS when Zack did as much picking at people town reading him as he dis people scum reading him. That and his DP post felt forced AF, and overly long, when he didn't mention him before.

I can be talked down from a ledge on him, I just don't really have a stronger inclination to go to at this moment. The Logic thing was bothering me because it felt like an overwhelming damnation of the poor guy.