Chess - Game Thread [Concluded]

[Zack]

FINALLY, a dissenting opinion about Logic.

what am i, chopped liver

[Zack]

I mean, how many times does someone call a naturally suspicious looking person a wolf 1/3 into d1, literally almost the entire game says "sure bud" and votes him, and they actually flip wolf?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Finished the iso of Logic in XCOM. I know I'm right on this. 70+ posts and 28 pages say the same thing on every page, starkly.

I challenge you to find literally any town game of his where he shaded someone even close to that way.

I don't think it's happened anytime in the past five years at least. This is not a one game meta read, it's not in his town playbook at all.

He's got his ways, I don't think he changed them for this game without an alignment change too.

[reinoe]

Wait you switch a legit readvote on Zack to a jokevote on Barto?

El Barto has 14 posts. I challenge you to find one read.

[GeneralHankerchief]

I guess the first 72 hours are going to be boring until we keep repeating ourselves about how we're going to lynch Logic, I don't think I've ever seen such a consensus Day 1.

Bart's entrance was sloppy, but I don't think as sloppy as Rein's.

Otherwise I caught up and most of it was Pizza's spam posts, the only other thing is I think I put Slaan solidly at the top of my Town pile. Zack hasn't looked as strong during this catchup, but a part of that may be him just being frustrated and bickering with Pizza and Bart. His assessment of Bart's meta is interesting.


I will address the CSargo thing, I wasn't using his last game as a baseline for his read, I was referring specifically to how he defended himself. His responses to pressure have literally been "cool" or a version of "you got me". In that game whenever it came up Csargo is scum he was more playful and snarky. I'm not talking about his activity, or content outside of his reaction to pressure, which I think it's fair to think for it to be consistent no matter the situation. Still in the end I said I didn't think it was a fair baseline for comparison anyway, so DON'T LECTURE ME.

I thought Reinoe's entrance was fine. Why didn't you like it?

[Slaan]

I mean, how many times does someone call a naturally suspicious looking person a wolf 1/3 into d1, literally almost the entire game says "sure bud" and votes him, and they actually flip wolf?

Is it the entire game? Isnt it rather just one very loud voice that 2 others (Kage + dp) sheeped and now more recently I added myself to that list... am I missing someone? I don't see this being unlikely tbh

[Fredwood]

what am i, chopped liver

No, you're at least Corned Beef. I thought your logic stance was not as strong as a scum read, but were willing to lynch. GH is the first person to call Logic not mafia.

If it's two, then cool



More victory dances.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Okay your Kage post was better, but I think you're still tunneling/lacking context. Kage is Kage, Logic is Logic, and one of them is definitely more naturally uncomfortable.

My context on Logic is way better than anyone else's.

Look for yourself. Pick a game, any game. Pizza's Logic=Townie challenge.

[Montmorency]

Finished the iso of Logic in XCOM. I know I'm right on this. 70+ posts and 28 pages say the same thing on every page, starkly.

I challenge you to find literally any town game of his where he shaded someone even close to that way.

I don't think it's happened anytime in the past five years at least. This is not a one game meta read, it's not in his town playbook at all.

He's got his ways, I don't think he changed them for this game without an alignment change too.

Well, OK, but you made a meta-meta point on how to correctly interpret within-game and across-career and as someone with a lot of experience with Logic you haven't really explained his scum meta, just how his behavior here is inconsistent with his town meta.

[reinoe]

El Barto has 14 posts. I challenge you to find one read.

I challenge you to find literally any town game of his where he shaded someone even close to that way.

That x-post.

ATPG confirmed town.

[Montmorency]

El Barto has 14 posts. I challenge you to find one read.

Have you played with Barto before?

[GeneralHankerchief]

I mean, how many times does someone call a naturally suspicious looking person a wolf 1/3 into d1, literally almost the entire game says "sure bud" and votes him, and they actually flip wolf?

Yeah, this is pretty much where I'm at. Let's diversify.

[Slaan]

El Barto has 14 posts. I challenge you to find one read.

Oh yea I'm not saying that barto is playing well or anything and was I a vig I'd maybe just vig this night... but you had a real read on Zack iirc and change it to someone that just didnt give a crap so far? I mean it's not wolfy per se... just not something I'd do ^^

[reinoe]

Have you played with Barto before?

Can't say that I have.

[Slaan]

Fred why am I your top town read?

[GeneralHankerchief]

My context on Logic is way better than anyone else's.

Look for yourself. Pick a game, any game. Pizza's Logic=Townie challenge.

I'll check it out at some point in the phase, sure. But I'm not going to change my read on him in the meantime just because you told me to.

[Montmorency]

Can't say that I have.

He likes to troll people, especially unfamiliar people. Not saying your vote is misguided for pressure - just beware of a self-reinforcing cycle.

[Slaan]

Yeah, this is pretty much where I'm at. Let's diversify.

Who are you looking at then?

[Fredwood]

I thought Reinoe's entrance was fine. Why didn't you like it?

Maybe it wasn't his entrance, but it's the first time I noticed him, so I misspoke. My issue was his first content post, and then further his DP post.

His Logic scum read and somewhat associative read with Zack but pushing Zack before Logic.

He said independently that he has a scum read on Zack, buuuuut, the read he gave was inaccurate, he accused him of OMGUS when Zack did as much picking at people town reading him as he dis people scum reading him. That and his DP post felt forced AF, and overly long, when he didn't mention him before.

I can be talked down from a ledge on him, I just don't really have a stronger inclination to go to at this moment. The Logic thing was bothering me because it felt like an overwhelming damnation of the poor guy.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Who are you looking at then?

Well, now that I'm finally live, some combination of Fred, Barto, and Reinoe. I'd also like to stay live for a little while.

[Dp101]

+ Unvote: Csargo (duno if thats required but just in case)

Not required, and actually breaks the automated vote count script that someone made.

[Slaan]

Well, now that I'm finally live, some combination of Fred, Barto, and Reinoe. I'd also like to stay live for a little while.

Why those three?

[Slaan]

Not required, and actually breaks the automated vote count script that someone made.

woaps

[Dp101]

woaps

It’s fine, I’m pretty sure it only really breaks it if you vote/unvote in the same line.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Why those three?

The three of them have actually posted and I don't really have a read on any of them.

[Dp101]

Well, now that I'm finally live, some combination of Fred, Barto, and Reinoe. I'd also like to stay live for a little while.

I can deal with this minus Fred, his content has been intermittent but fairly genuine.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Yeah, this is pretty much where I'm at. Let's diversify.

If you guys are just doing this to not be Pizza, that's not a good call or a good reason. But you do you.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'll check it out at some point in the phase, sure. But I'm not going to change my read on him in the meantime just because you told me to.

If you ever get around to doing this, give me a real, honest assessment.

If you don't do a 180 I'm going to need a good explanation.

[Montmorency]

Well, now that I'm finally live, some combination of Fred, Barto, and Reinoe. I'd also like to stay live for a little while.

The three of them have actually posted and I don't really have a read on any of them.

Update on why reinoe's entrance was fine but now he needs to be looked at?

Fred is not doing anything noteworthy in general or compared to last game. In fact, his pressure on reinoe over case logic and approach is kind of similar to how he developed pressure on Barto over D1 and into D2.

[Slaan]

The three of them have actually posted and I don't really have a read on any of them.

Well in case of Bart 'posted' I guess... but sure take a look.

I'm out for today, hf guys/gals :)