Chess - Game Thread [Concluded]

[Zack]

Also, anyone who is riding the train of "Logic is scum here, because he is noticeably and explicitly different from XCOM mafia, where he was town."

Read Barto in that game, read Logic in that game. Read them both in this game.

There's a stark difference in one of them, and it's not Logic.

[Montmorency]

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No. The opposite if anything - typically a villager will put more effort into solving the game than a wolf who is merely giving the appearance of doing so.

* searching brain for any wolfy mechanics talk to discuss *

Hi Renata.

What's your approach to reading me going to look like this game? I don't think you ever town-read me in the only scum game you've seen of me so far, but elsewhere you've indicated you're not sure how anyone reads me. No need to worry about me using your answer to help me fool you, because if I'm a wolf I'll just kill you tonight anyways.

It does bother me a little the way GH canvassed for opinions on this, instead of giving one himself.

Visor thanking posts but not posting. Probably a wolf. Kappa.

I agree it is a weird interaction.

Bit weak, don't you think?

Vote: Winston Hughes

Winton Hughes, atheotes wolf team. Maybe Visor. Al spewed town or mafia, depending on your interpretation.

GH, Renata town.

I think defending someone, then quickly flipping on it to vote them as a way to defend yourself is not a good look. I'm sure Winston will try to handwave this away as a joke or something, but I don't really buy that.

Well start searching for something better, instead of waiting for it to drop out of the sky.

Your progression on Al just makes no sense to me. And your reaction to my accusation being to defend yourself with "it's okay because I don't care" doesn't exactly change my mind.

Ok, tell me your top 3 wolves and top 3 villagers Winston.

Exactly. The last quote especially downplays the fact that Winston defended Al and implied Renata should find a better vote, then suddenly voted Al when I said Winston sounded like he was defending a teammate. Then acts like that's not how it happened at all, it was just lolnotcaring (and while shitposting is a thing Winston does as town, particularly early on, not caring isn't).

What makes you think he is so towny?

This is a weird vote from you.

lol reaction tests. "I did something wolfy to see if you would call it wolfy. You've fallen into my trap, wolf!"

Won't be available until tomorrow probably. Go Falcons.

I don't see what about this warrants all the votes. I assumed he was just referring to reading the rules and shit. Who cares.

Yep, answering questions is something i simply can't do as a wolf. I've been caught.

Have to avoid the n1 kill somehow.

I think the cases on Arakhor and Al Sips are bad. I don't have a strong read either way, but the things they are being accused of are not alignment indicative in my opinion, and if they flip wolf I'm going to shrug and call it dumb luck, rather than good hunting. Arakhor in particular I have mislynched for being awkward d1 (when I was a wolf).

re: visor as a wolf

His effort and seriousness levels will depend a lot on his teammates and the game state. He tends towards doing less and joking/trolling more than he would as town, but he's certainly capable of being serious and doing a lot as a wolf too. I don't think I ever bother trying to read him d1 in any case.

Yes. If I have to break the current 3-way tie I'd vote Dp101 without hesitation.

I also think Winston popping in to say only this is not a good look.

In that game, choxorn got plenty of flak for his behavior, and at best his posting was defended as being not bad, not "pure". He was only "cleared" after a pretty dedicated bussing of his teammate. I think bringing it up like this is a fairly disingenuous way of discrediting a townread of choxorn in this game, and I say that without really having an opinion on chox here either way.

It's like I think you're wolfy.

Voting someone for not answering some random question you stubbornly refuse to repeat

Why the hell are people voting for Al. Low postcount is not wolfy in and of itself.

Why haven't you?

He went right back to al, is this a serious question? lol

Looking forward to you vaguely throwing suspicion my way all game for ???.

So Al not even caring about self-pres doesn't affect your read in any way? You'd rather talk about DP changing his vote for 30 seconds somehow clearing him?

Al seems like an easy mislynch. I repeat my thoughts from earlier, he hasn't done anything actually wolfy and if he does flip wolf it's just dumb luck.

Like, are you suggesting Al and I coordinated that in wolfchat? What would be the point? I don't get why that would even bother you or why you would care.

Zack, here are your notable D1 posts from Swords and Sorcery. You seem different somehow. I think you probably are.

I have time to figure it out.

[Zack]

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Zack, here are your notable D1 posts from Swords and Sorcery. You seem different somehow. I think you probably are.

I have time to figure it out.

What's different, and why is it bad for me?

You're just saying things about me with no substance or meaning behind them.

Why'd you choose that specific game?

[Montmorency]

What's different, and why is it bad for me?

You're just saying things about me with no substance or meaning behind them.

Why'd you choose that specific game?

You were non-sub town and it's structurally the most similar recent game.

I'll figure it out. I'm assuming I hit on something useful.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Zack, here are your notable D1 posts from Swords and Sorcery. You seem different somehow. I think you probably are. I have time to figure it out.

Yeah... even just skimming them I feel a strongly different vibe.

Good catch. I agree. I have Zack way way too high.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Zack I'm kicking you out of my town until further notice. I think Monty is right about you.

[Dp101]

Zack I'm kicking you out of my town until further notice. I think Monty is right about you.

Well I think this is the towniest he’s ever been in any game I’ve played with him. I haven’t gone through and checked in what ways it is different, but just because someone’s different doesn’t make them scum.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Well I think this is the towniest he’s ever been in any game I’ve played with him. I haven’t gone through and checked in what ways it is different, but just because someone’s different doesn’t make them scum.

You and I often disagree on who is being townie or not.

I get why you and most other people have him as town, I did too. That being said, ever since I put him at the top of my town he's been doing his best to capitalize on his town cred and get people to not listen to me and to take control of the thread. I expect that he'll do this, but specifically what he's been doing and how and who, all looks extremely bad if my reads outside of him were correct.

He's deep wolfing extremely well right now, more than he's towning, imo. If I had a vig shot I'd shoot him tonight since he's never gonna be lynched because only me and Monty can even see it.

[Dp101]

You and I often disagree on who is being townie or not.

I get why you and most other people have him as town, I did too. That being said, ever since I put him at the top of my town he's been doing his best to capitalize on his town cred and get people to not listen to me and to take control of the thread. I expect that he'll do this, but specifically what he's been doing and how and who, all looks extremely bad if my reads outside of him were correct.

He's deep wolfing extremely well right now, more than he's towning, imo. If I had a vig shot I'd shoot him tonight since he's never gonna be lynched because only me and Monty can even see it.

Look, if it’s me and him in F3, I’ll vote him, because he should not be alive at that stage, but before then, I don’t think it’s a good option.

[Winston Hughes]

Well I think this is the towniest he’s ever been in any game I’ve played with him. I haven’t gone through and checked in what ways it is different, but just because someone’s different doesn’t make them scum.

With apologies to Dp101, this post really dialed up my suspicions of Zack.

The meld with pizza was at its strongest at that moment, and the difference between our models of Zack's mind and the one Dp was using felt significant.

As pizza (iirc) said early in the game, Dp has all the potential in the world (champs wildcard less than a year after first contact says a lot), but his mental models of scumplay are still a little shallow.

And when it comes to Zack, who is the best scumbag I've ever had the privilege of playing with or against, it's really only in the contrast between layers that any kind of tell is likely to show.

If he is scum here, though, then he's exploring new levels of sophistication. That I think it's possible at all shows just how highly I rate him.

[Dp101]

With apologies to Dp101, this post really dialed up my suspicions of Zack.

The meld with pizza was at its strongest at that moment, and the difference between our models of Zack's mind and the one Dp was using felt significant.

As pizza (iirc) said early in the game, Dp has all the potential in the world (champs wildcard less than a year after first contact says a lot), but his mental models of scumplay are still a little shallow.

And when it comes to Zack, who is the best scumbag I've ever had the privilege of playing with or against, it's really only in the contrast between layers that any kind of tell is likely to show.

If he is scum here, though, then he's exploring new levels of sophistication. That I think it's possible at all shows just how highly I rate him.

I feel victimised right here ;-;

[Montmorency]

I like this. It speaks to my residual doubt on Zack.

He's confounded his scum meta in way that's entirely plausible to me.

But if this is a new stage in his scumevolution, I can believe this might be a tell.



Is my connection with Zack just about our opening, or is there more recent evidence?

Opening and detachment, something about dancing. Not that it has to be identical, but your town-town exchanges D1 from the game I just referenced had more weight. It could still be low-key friendly banter and poking now, but it has my attention.

[Zack]

Also, anyone who is riding the train of "Logic is scum here, because he is noticeably and explicitly different from XCOM mafia, where he was town."

Read Barto in that game, read Logic in that game. Read them both in this game.

There's a stark difference in one of them, and it's not Logic.

No one listens to me.

Just endless paranoia.

ok