Chess - Game Thread [Concluded]

[Montmorency]

People refuse to read him, because he's barto. But it's not that hard.

In the CFC/MTGS game on MU, I defended him for days before finally giving up. He was town.

I don't remember the game it was, but he was worried with fixing votecounts or something while having zero interest in the actual thread. I called him out on it as being wolfy, and got a mixture of scorn and ambivalence.

In Sooh's last game, I called him out as a probable wolf again. He was scum. I barely escaped getting mislynche d1, and got immediately killed by the town vigilante.

In Representative Democracy, as my teammate, I was literally begging him in our scum chat to please, post and do something. He did nothing but occasionally pop in to complain about the number of posts and do not really anything, pretty much what he's done here.

Look at XCOM. How much time does he spend complaining about having to read the thread? Does he make thoughtless OMGUS votes then peace out?

Nope.

Hmm, but you leave out FrenchRev, where (on the public end) he similarly lolcatted and complained. And I guess for a lot of people XCOM was a rather unique experience.

Here's some major excerpts from Barto's D2 in FrenchRev, where you voted him for similar reasons:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Non, Choxorn, mon cher, je n'ai rien plus que dir.

I disagree with this. The former part at least.

With this post I increase my total postcount by 50% (not even you can do that) so I'm giving you a lot of material to analyse.

vote: NotACop

Are you daring me?

You know, I always get lynched when I always OMGUS people. Lacking any better leads (I don't want a Csargowaggon for scum to hide when I haven't read most of his posts), vote: Dp101

I've decided not to say anything when I have nothing to say.

That is either a cunning Discworld reference or you've had some interesting experiences.

You… can try to provide something.

…

…

Can't you?

Your best rebuttal may be that his only D1 activity in FrenchRev was:

Due to pre-announced circumstances I have to be mostly away from this.

Random.org says vote: atheotes

while here he hasn't AFAIK announced RL limitations.

[Zack]

Hmm, but you leave out FrenchRev, where (on the public end) he similarly lolcatted and complained. And I guess for a lot of people XCOM was a rather unique experience.

Here's some major excerpts from Barto's D2 in FrenchRev, where you voted him for similar reasons:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Your best rebuttal may be that his only D1 activity in FrenchRev was:



while here he hasn't AFAIK announced RL limitations.

XCOM is more recent and French Rev was barely mafia

I particularly took a lot of his play in XCOM as a change in style to be more productive

[Fredwood]

As a recipient of Barto's unique version of the welcoming committee and me getting a bug in my bonnet about it, he does feel different. I feel a demonstrable difference between Bart in Xcom as opposed to Logic in XCom. Unfortunately most of Logic's play has been off the back foot so even if I did sense a change in playstyle.

I agree with Monty in the sense that Logic feels like the "correct" lynch today, but illogical me would like to vote Bart here.

Anyway fatigue etc etc etc neither have been here defending themselves etc etc etc.

[Fredwood]

As a recipient of Barto's unique version of the welcoming committee and me getting a bug in my bonnet about it, he does feel different. I feel a demonstrable difference between Bart in Xcom as opposed to Logic in XCom. Unfortunately most of Logic's play has been off the back foot so even if I did sense a change in playstyle.

I agree with Monty in the sense that Logic feels like the "correct" lynch today, but illogical me would like to vote Bart here.

Anyway fatigue etc etc etc neither have been here defending themselves etc etc etc.

Basically yeah, I'm willing to vote either here, but I think I'm leaning Logic (unfortunately)

[Winston Hughes]

GH's big post looks townie in itself, but it feels a little scummy to me that he'd make that his main engagement with the thread at this stage.

Where's the chat, GH?

I don't particularly feel like this thread turning into another exercise of someone screaming over and over about a single read, drowning everything else out, and it having a ~rand chance of actually being correct in the meantime.

At least Pizza's more cooperative about it than Kami.

Looking back, this was weak.

[Zack]

Looking back, this was weak.

Your point, or GH?

[Winston Hughes]

Your point, or GH?

GH.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Basically yeah, I'm willing to vote either here, but I think I'm leaning Logic (unfortunately)

And what do you mean "unfortunately?" If you're town you're not hemmed into any particular read here, you get to say what you want.

[Fredwood]

And what do you mean "unfortunately?" If you're town you're not hemmed into any particular read here, you get to say what you want.

Because I feel hella sorry for him.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Depends on the strength of the read and the reliability of the pursuer. I've been in a lot of games where consensus was right, i've been in a lot of games where it wasn't. So I don't really see how that's a relevant question, it's not common or rare enough to really discount the voracity of Pizza's read because of it.

I haven't seen this much of a consensus of a lynch Day 1 though, this is what was bothering me earlier. To the point where you defended him, I guess Zack had a soft defense that didn't leave an impression everyone was cool with his lynch.

I don't see a world, even if Logic does survive (I'll set aside that if he does survive it won't be because he did a good job tapdancing), that this won't be a thing for the rest of the game. His pressure has been oppressive to an absurd degree and the only way I won't vote him today would be because I empathize with him; this would blow as either alignment.

Because I feel hella sorry for him.

This is super lazy, you should vote for your biggest scumread regardless of context except for very specific exceptions.

This isn't one of them.

[Winston Hughes]

This is super lazy, you should vote for your biggest scumread regardless of context except for very specific exceptions.

This isn't one of them.

Don't like this post.

Feels like Fredwood's playing 72/24, while GH is looking to eod.

[Fredwood]

This is super lazy, you should vote for your biggest scumread regardless of context except for very specific exceptions.

This isn't one of them.

lolok either are my top scumread, except logic is more of a thing, if you want to twist that into an agenda then feel free to do so.

[Slaan]

Because I feel hella sorry for him.

I think thats towny from Fred. Same thing happened in the wild west game that he started to feel sorry for the guy under immense pressure and fred was town there. Not that its not fakeable etc etc but it's in line with his prev town play so thats :top:

[Askthepizzaguy]

I think thats towny from Fred. Same thing happened in the wild west game that he started to feel sorry for the guy under immense pressure and fred was town there. Not that its not fakeable etc etc but it's in line with his prev town play so thats :top:

Agreed, plus Logic is just the kind of guy I'd feel really bad about badgering any further than I have. He's really sympathetic regardless of his alignment.

I like him a lot. Fred's reaction to his push feels really good.

[Winston Hughes]

Vote: El Barto

[Winston Hughes]

Fredwood feels real in the now.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Fredwood feels real in the now.

Winston, thoughts on Fred's "unfortunately"?

[Winston Hughes]

Winston, thoughts on Fred's "unfortunately"?

Contrived = scum?

Could be.

[Zack]

Fredwood feels real in the now.

idk what this means

[Winston Hughes]

idk what this means

I meant it felt like he was posting freely.

[Winston Hughes]

Top-quality x-post.

Place bets now.

[Csargo]

Vote: El Barto

I'm gonna go with this.

Vote: El Barto

[Xiahou]

I'm still comfortable with my vote, but GH is giving me a scummy vibe too.

I'm gonna go with this.

Vote: El Barto

I don't care for this either.

[Sooh]

Vote count:

Pizza (1): Manasi

Manasi (1): GH

Zack (3): Montmorency, El Barto, Xiahou

Logic (5): Pizza, Dp101, Slaan, Choxorn, Kagemusha

Reinoe (1): Fredwood

Kagemusha (1): Logic

El Barto (3): Zack, Reinoe, Csargo

GH (1): Winston Hughes

Not voting (1): Cuthillius,

With 17 players there are 9 to hammer.


EOD1:

[Winston Hughes]

I'm still comfortable with my vote, but GH is giving me a scummy vibe too.

Zack is a bad vote.

Join me on GH.

[Csargo]

I'm still comfortable with my vote, but GH is giving me a scummy vibe too.



I don't care for this either.

Why?

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm still comfortable with my vote, but GH is giving me a scummy vibe too.

I don't care for this either.

Yeah, despite my misgivings about EB, I think he shouldn't be lynched here today.

He's the low hanging fruit, seriously.

[GeneralHankerchief]

As a recipient of Barto's unique version of the welcoming committee and me getting a bug in my bonnet about it, he does feel different. I feel a demonstrable difference between Bart in Xcom as opposed to Logic in XCom. Unfortunately most of Logic's play has been off the back foot so even if I did sense a change in playstyle.

I agree with Monty in the sense that Logic feels like the "correct" lynch today, but illogical me would like to vote Bart here.

Anyway fatigue etc etc etc neither have been here defending themselves etc etc etc.

In your experience, how often has the consensus lynch choice halfway through a D1 been correct?

[Fredwood]

In your experience, how often has the consensus lynch choice halfway through a D1 been correct?

Depends on the strength of the read and the reliability of the pursuer. I've been in a lot of games where consensus was right, i've been in a lot of games where it wasn't. So I don't really see how that's a relevant question, it's not common or rare enough to really discount the voracity of Pizza's read because of it.

I haven't seen this much of a consensus of a lynch Day 1 though, this is what was bothering me earlier. To the point where you defended him, I guess Zack had a soft defense that didn't leave an impression everyone was cool with his lynch.

I don't see a world, even if Logic does survive (I'll set aside that if he does survive it won't be because he did a good job tapdancing), that this won't be a thing for the rest of the game. His pressure has been oppressive to an absurd degree and the only way I won't vote him today would be because I empathize with him; this would blow as either alignment.

[Zack]

As a recipient of Barto's unique version of the welcoming committee and me getting a bug in my bonnet about it, he does feel different. I feel a demonstrable difference between Bart in Xcom as opposed to Logic in XCom. Unfortunately most of Logic's play has been off the back foot so even if I did sense a change in playstyle.

I agree with Monty in the sense that Logic feels like the "correct" lynch today, but illogical me would like to vote Bart here.

Anyway fatigue etc etc etc neither have been here defending themselves etc etc etc.

this post feels like a wolf prepping for a wolf flip