Chess - Game Thread [Concluded]

[Fredwood]

As a recipient of Barto's unique version of the welcoming committee and me getting a bug in my bonnet about it, he does feel different. I feel a demonstrable difference between Bart in Xcom as opposed to Logic in XCom. Unfortunately most of Logic's play has been off the back foot so even if I did sense a change in playstyle.

I agree with Monty in the sense that Logic feels like the "correct" lynch today, but illogical me would like to vote Bart here.

Anyway fatigue etc etc etc neither have been here defending themselves etc etc etc.

Basically yeah, I'm willing to vote either here, but I think I'm leaning Logic (unfortunately)

[Winston Hughes]

GH's big post looks townie in itself, but it feels a little scummy to me that he'd make that his main engagement with the thread at this stage.

Where's the chat, GH?

I don't particularly feel like this thread turning into another exercise of someone screaming over and over about a single read, drowning everything else out, and it having a ~rand chance of actually being correct in the meantime.

At least Pizza's more cooperative about it than Kami.

Looking back, this was weak.

[Zack]

Looking back, this was weak.

Your point, or GH?

[Winston Hughes]

Your point, or GH?

GH.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Basically yeah, I'm willing to vote either here, but I think I'm leaning Logic (unfortunately)

And what do you mean "unfortunately?" If you're town you're not hemmed into any particular read here, you get to say what you want.

[Fredwood]

And what do you mean "unfortunately?" If you're town you're not hemmed into any particular read here, you get to say what you want.

Because I feel hella sorry for him.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Depends on the strength of the read and the reliability of the pursuer. I've been in a lot of games where consensus was right, i've been in a lot of games where it wasn't. So I don't really see how that's a relevant question, it's not common or rare enough to really discount the voracity of Pizza's read because of it.

I haven't seen this much of a consensus of a lynch Day 1 though, this is what was bothering me earlier. To the point where you defended him, I guess Zack had a soft defense that didn't leave an impression everyone was cool with his lynch.

I don't see a world, even if Logic does survive (I'll set aside that if he does survive it won't be because he did a good job tapdancing), that this won't be a thing for the rest of the game. His pressure has been oppressive to an absurd degree and the only way I won't vote him today would be because I empathize with him; this would blow as either alignment.

Because I feel hella sorry for him.

This is super lazy, you should vote for your biggest scumread regardless of context except for very specific exceptions.

This isn't one of them.

[Winston Hughes]

This is super lazy, you should vote for your biggest scumread regardless of context except for very specific exceptions.

This isn't one of them.

Don't like this post.

Feels like Fredwood's playing 72/24, while GH is looking to eod.

[Fredwood]

This is super lazy, you should vote for your biggest scumread regardless of context except for very specific exceptions.

This isn't one of them.

lolok either are my top scumread, except logic is more of a thing, if you want to twist that into an agenda then feel free to do so.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Don't like this post.

Feels like Fredwood's playing 72/24, while GH is looking to eod.

lolok either are my top scumread, except logic is more of a thing, if you want to twist that into an agenda then feel free to do so.

Winston: You might be right, I don't usually play 72/24, but can you explain how this is a Bad Thing?

Fred: My concern is still your wording, if you were fine with both wagons then I think you would have just left it at that.

[Winston Hughes]

Winston: You might be right, I don't usually play 72/24, but can you explain how this is a Bad Thing?

Town play the day, scum play for the deadliine.

[Fredwood]

Winston: You might be right, I don't usually play 72/24, but can you explain how this is a Bad Thing?

Fred: My concern is still your wording, if you were fine with both wagons then I think you would have just left it at that.

So now you're trying to direct what my response should have been? Saying that I have sympathy, something that I stated within the meat of the post, so it wasn't that much of an inference that the unfortunately meant that despite my humanity I'm likely to vote him. The wording is only misleading because you're actively altering the meaning.

Either way, I posted it because I felt like it and wanted people to know where I was at.

Couple that with your inference that I should not vote Logic because he's consensus and lolconensusisneverrightyouguyslol, then calling me lazy for not "voting" my top scumread (when Logic is a relatively top scum read)...tis strange.

[Slaan]

Because I feel hella sorry for him.

I think thats towny from Fred. Same thing happened in the wild west game that he started to feel sorry for the guy under immense pressure and fred was town there. Not that its not fakeable etc etc but it's in line with his prev town play so thats :top:

[Askthepizzaguy]

I think thats towny from Fred. Same thing happened in the wild west game that he started to feel sorry for the guy under immense pressure and fred was town there. Not that its not fakeable etc etc but it's in line with his prev town play so thats :top:

Agreed, plus Logic is just the kind of guy I'd feel really bad about badgering any further than I have. He's really sympathetic regardless of his alignment.

I like him a lot. Fred's reaction to his push feels really good.

[Winston Hughes]

Vote: El Barto

[Winston Hughes]

Fredwood feels real in the now.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Fredwood feels real in the now.

Winston, thoughts on Fred's "unfortunately"?

[Winston Hughes]

Winston, thoughts on Fred's "unfortunately"?

Contrived = scum?

Could be.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Contrived = scum?

Could be.

I mean, the interpretation/paraphrase that makes most sense to me is the following:

There are two wagons right now, Logic and Barto. I'm scumreading Barto more than Logic but am fine with either lynch. Unfortunately I'm still going to vote Logic despite my greater scumread of Logic.

It just... doesn't make sense from town? It's almost like he's trying to appease Pizza.

[Fredwood]

I mean, the interpretation/paraphrase that makes most sense to me is the following:

There are two wagons right now, Logic and Barto. I'm scumreading Barto more than Logic but am fine with either lynch. Unfortunately I'm still going to vote Logic despite my greater scumread of Logic.

It just... doesn't make sense from town? It's almost like he's trying to appease Pizza.

What? That seems a bit of a manipulation.

[Zack]

Fredwood feels real in the now.

idk what this means

[Winston Hughes]

idk what this means

I meant it felt like he was posting freely.

[Winston Hughes]

Y'all took opposite read on the snap.

Gut says I like him, but I see where you're coming from.

[Winston Hughes]

Top-quality x-post.

Place bets now.

[Csargo]

Vote: El Barto

I'm gonna go with this.

Vote: El Barto

[Xiahou]

I'm still comfortable with my vote, but GH is giving me a scummy vibe too.

I'm gonna go with this.

Vote: El Barto

I don't care for this either.

[Sooh]

Vote count:

Pizza (1): Manasi

Manasi (1): GH

Zack (3): Montmorency, El Barto, Xiahou

Logic (5): Pizza, Dp101, Slaan, Choxorn, Kagemusha

Reinoe (1): Fredwood

Kagemusha (1): Logic

El Barto (3): Zack, Reinoe, Csargo

GH (1): Winston Hughes

Not voting (1): Cuthillius,

With 17 players there are 9 to hammer.


EOD1:

[Winston Hughes]

I'm still comfortable with my vote, but GH is giving me a scummy vibe too.

Zack is a bad vote.

Join me on GH.

[Csargo]

I'm still comfortable with my vote, but GH is giving me a scummy vibe too.



I don't care for this either.

Why?

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm still comfortable with my vote, but GH is giving me a scummy vibe too.

I don't care for this either.

Yeah, despite my misgivings about EB, I think he shouldn't be lynched here today.

He's the low hanging fruit, seriously.