Chess - Game Thread [Concluded]

**Winston Hughes** · 10-07-2017, 01:54

You're making me feel you should be even higher.

Very nice work if you're scum.

**Zack** · 10-07-2017, 02:23

Monty -- I think the push on choxorn has merit (certainly more than the one on me

).

He seems to be riding / piggybacking on Pizzaguy.

**Zack** · 10-07-2017, 02:25

Oh, I just realized that was the null pile.

but still

**Zack** · 10-07-2017, 03:02

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

**Csargo** · 10-07-2017, 03:05

Kage is 90% town here.

**Choxorn** · 10-07-2017, 03:51

Originally Posted by Montmorency

You and others have contested this (mostly indirectly), but Zack feels too free-spirited. He's committing to trivial things, but gliding about the agendas of the day. Only Csargo agrees AFAIK. If Zack flips scum I think it spews you as scum-risk, but if not I think you're a solid town read. Pizza for one believes this kind of calculation only has a place later in the game.

Originally Posted by Winston Hughes

I like this. It speaks to my residual doubt on Zack.

I have residual doubt on Zack, too, might just be paranoia but might not be. And I still think it's weird that he'd call out Pizza for going after what he calls "low hanging fruit" in Logic and Csargo, and then Zack proceeds to, 2 pages later, start going hard after El Barto, the lowest possible hanging of low hanging fruit.

Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

Winston: You might be right, I don't usually play 72/24, but can you explain how this is a Bad Thing?

Fred: My concern is still your wording, if you were fine with both wagons then I think you would have just left it at that.

The townies have control of the day. It's generally a good idea to let it last as long as possible, to get the most information you can.

Originally Posted by Montmorency

I looked at town Choxorn in Swords and Sorcery, where I recall him being fairly good. 4 evenly spaced few-liner posts, shift in earnest attacking and voting DP for a scummy thing he did, responding to DP's challenge with analysis of DP alone and DP-Winston, absenting himself for the second half of the day then popping back in during night to offer a fair contribution of analysis on day's events. I think one way to put the difference is that Choxorn was more precise and focused in that D1, in the one instance he addressed the game course. What Choxorn did here in his second block of posts was spreading himself thinner.

Well, yeah, but that was pretty atypical for me- it was a game where DP and Al Sips stood out to me as really scummy, pretty much right from the start. Usually I don't play very well on Day 1 and get better as the game goes on. Case in point: This game, and my game in the mafia championships where I guessed horribly wrong the first two days and went really hard after a scummy townie instead of an actual mafia.

Also, I had a lot fewer RL commitments back in February than I do right now, which is why I'm only just briefly popping in and out- that's all I really have time to do.

**Zack** · 10-07-2017, 04:09

I have residual doubt on Zack, too, might just be paranoia but might not be. And I still think it's weird that he'd call out Pizza for going after what he calls "low hanging fruit" in Logic and Csargo, and then Zack proceeds to, 2 pages later, start going hard after El Barto, the lowest possible hanging of low hanging fruit.

did you read my posts on el barto?

**Askthepizzaguy** · 10-07-2017, 21:38

Originally Posted by Choxorn

I have residual doubt on Zack, too, might just be paranoia but might not be. And I still think it's weird that he'd call out Pizza for going after what he calls "low hanging fruit" in Logic and Csargo, and then Zack proceeds to, 2 pages later, start going hard after El Barto, the lowest possible hanging of low hanging fruit.

Distancing, bolded why. ^ He might be right but he's going about it wrong. I think it's more a pro wrestler's punch, designed to look like they're opposed but it doesn't actually leave a bruise.

**Askthepizzaguy** · 10-07-2017, 20:48

Originally Posted by Winston Hughes

You're making me feel you should be even higher.

Very nice work if you're scum.

+1 Monty's good.

By post 919 he's made seriously impressive and game-winning posts if he's scum. He's good but the vibe I should be getting from him is neutral /vaguely townie / vaguely scummish if he's scum. I shouldn't get a strong read off of what he's doing, because in the middle is the best place for him when he's scumming, and it's where he almost invariably ends up, too.

No, Monty's a strong town read here by now. I'm not just impressed by his work, because he's a mega hard worker as scum. The kind of content that he's specifically giving always makes him town, and I've probably never ever said that before about Monty.