Chess - Game Thread [Concluded]

[Slaan]

Also lol hammer, not that I'm complaining. Was hoping for some spew from GH at some point but it seems like he'd given up on this game a long time ago.

[Slaan]

Fred lock town now btw.

[Dp101]

Fred lock town now btw.

Yep, they just keep rolling in... Pretty sure this game is solved by this point.

[Kagemusha]

I would suggest next looking into Cuth. Not much to go through, draw paraller lines towards Logic and GH.

[Fredwood]

I wonder how many times I can not end up on scum lynches. Good job team back pats all around. Next we get to argue about Chox and Manasi, and whether we lynch Zack before or after Bart.

[Slaan]

I wonder how many times I can not end up on scum lynches. Good job team back pats all around. Next we get to argue about Chox and Manasi, and whether we lynch Zack before or after Bart.

You still have a useful skill. You pick Chox or Manasi and we'll just lynch the one you didnt pick for 100% scum chance :)

[Slaan]

Also anyone not having me lock town at this point should really really evaluate everything.

[Fredwood]

I would suggest next looking into Cuth. Not much to go through, draw paraller lines towards Logic and GH.

Or Cuth....

How many mafia are left? I still haven't figured out the numbers, my homesite I think there would be 4. Anyway I don't think there's two scum in Chox and Manasi, and I'm still holding my theory from N1 about GH making the DP CFD to try and ensure the Chox lynch on day 2. Alternatively if we think it's more likely that there are two scum in Zack, Bart and Cuth we can lynch there. I'm still of the view that Rein and Zack can't be teammates and at this point I'd lynch Zack over Rein, hence Zack's inclusion in the second group not Rein's.

[Slaan]

Just thinking back on Manasi... 99% mafia there and lolcatting when she said that GH wasnt mafia without giving any reason even when asked. Fits with her weird D1. Manasi should be next imo

[Slaan]

Or Cuth....

How many mafia are left? I still haven't figured out the numbers, my homesite I think there would be 4. Anyway I don't think there's two scum in Chox and Manasi, and I'm still holding my theory from N1 about GH making the DP CFD to try and ensure the Chox lynch on day 2. Alternatively if we think it's more likely that there are two scum in Zack, Bart and Cuth we can lynch there. I'm still of the view that Rein and Zack can't be teammates and at this point I'd lynch Zack over Rein, hence Zack's inclusion in the second group not Rein's.

There are 4 mafia... havent you read any of the flip flavors? Shame on you.

[Fredwood]

There are 4 mafia... havent you read any of the flip flavors? Shame on you.

I read but I barely register anything lol, I know it's a bad, but I have no idea who anybody is other then my guy, but only cus there was a documentary about him...Either way I think we lynch Manasi before Chox, and if Manasi is scum I don't feel Chox is scum.

[Askthepizzaguy]

If I die tonight, my wish is for Zack to be dead as well.

We'll have a nice long chat in DVC about how I was wrong about him and he was wrong about GH and we'll both laugh and laugh.

[Montmorency]

Getting back in the 'scum get rekt' days of domination, let's hope.

Next candidate:

*Zack is there for potential D1 spew and his weirdness today and wrt GH. Even if the latter could be interpreted (as I did) diminishing the likelihood of pairing, AORN there is not much reason to preserve Zack.

[]Choxorn and Manasi for mild scumminess and lack of engagement. However, low-info due to lack of connections.

*Manasi was worse than Chox today at least, being irrelevant and offering isolated support for GH.

*Chox had even less to say D2; may have some spew in him wrt Zack, but it's debatable what it would mean...

*Barto is offering the most out of the lurkers, but almost all standard Barto fluff. I don't see why Pizza has more confidence in him than that.


Cuth has some reasonable offerings and potential. I'll defer to Pizza on Xiahou, though in fact he has plenty of scope to develop. They shouldn't be up for consideration tomorrow.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I read but I barely register anything lol, I know it's a bad, but I have no idea who anybody is other then my guy, but only cus there was a documentary about him...Either way I think we lynch Manasi before Chox, and if Manasi is scum I don't feel Chox is scum.

Next 2 after Zack.

Until you start hitting townies, and to be honest, you can hit 1 townie and keep on chugging away at the POE I came up with.

The scums are in there, the game is that easy until it isn't. Find out.

[Fredwood]

Next 2 after Zack.

Until you start hitting townies, and to be honest, you can hit 1 townie and keep on chugging away at the POE I came up with.

The scums are in there, the game is that easy until it isn't. Find out.

Meaning you want to lynch Zack next day phase? I think Manasi has a higher probability of scuminess then Zack and we don't have the problem of WiFOM. Also if we get the Manasi lynch it effectively solves the Chox problem for the time being. I get what you're saying about Zack but I don't see him, even with the strangeness, as more likely to be scum then the other two gentleman I listed him with.

[Kagemusha]

I would like to hear something productive from these people in order to get them out from the default lynch bucket: Cuth, Manasi, Choxorn and Xiahou. We need your input. What you find off so far from the game. Who do you suspect as scum? Help the town and also help the game, so it stays interesting.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Getting back in the 'scum get rekt' days of domination, let's hope.

Next candidate:

*Zack is there for potential D1 spew and his weirdness today and wrt GH. Even if the latter could be interpreted (as I did) diminishing the likelihood of pairing, AORN there is not much reason to preserve Zack.

If he's town he's always getting mislynched now, so let's save him the trouble. I was willing to hear him out today and he didn't do anything but try to stop yet another mafia lynch, so. He's always next and I'm sorry but that's the way it's gotta be.

[]Choxorn and Manasi for mild scumminess and lack of engagement. However, low-info due to lack of connections.

Precisely why I wouldn't hit there next, but next after. I can somehow believe that this is Manasi somehow totally not giving a damn, but it also looks a lot like the whole scum team is dying, and they have no real urge to solo hero the rest of the game.

It's true until it's not true. Check and see.

*Manasi was worse than Chox today at least, being irrelevant and offering isolated support for GH.

Chox looks generic and kinda bad, but, he also could have legitimately been the townie they tried to lynch.

Thing is, I think it's about 50/50 that this is a Fleeing Coward / Banjo (iirc) situation, (or a reddboiler/vaimes) where there were two scummos up for the lynch, and what mafia was trying to do was switch the lynch from one preferred scummo to a different scummo, for credit and to shift the momentum away from town's control.

What I mean is, I've been in situations where it was supremely advantageous to scums that they derail a lynch on a scumbag and even push the lynch onto a different scumbag. Not even because other scumbag is just a goon, but because then they're the ones that get credit for the lynch, the townies who did good solving get NOTHING for their efforts, the other scumbag doesn't even get looked at for a good long time after that (if ever), and in both games I'm referencing, the scumbag that they switched the lynch off of survived to the end and it won the game.

Because to most townies, a goon is worth the same as any other goon, but it's not true. What matters is momentum and narrative.

You can lose 3 scumbags and still win this game with the last scumbag, but only if you're in fair control of the momentum and the narrative.

If the bad guys get lynched in the right order, it's easy to solve the game. You just move on to the next scummiest person one at a time, and there's no defense.

If the bad guys get lynched in the WRONG order, the scums control the momentum and the narrative.

This is what is happening this game, to a high degree of likelihood.

It's either that or choxorn is the townie they needed to stop the lynch on Logic.

But he can also easily be scum here, and only when they realized that bussing choxorn was less and less likely, and how scummy they looked defending Logic, they abandoned that plan and hoped for some GH inspired CFD chaos. With all due respect to his wolf game, he CFDs a lot as town and that's his meta.

It's "similar". A lot of good wolves think they can get away with similar even if it's scummy.

He can successfully say that he likes to cfd a lot as town, and that he only did it scummily that one time, and that's enough to fool some peoples.

But that's just gaming his own meta. He knows he should be able to get away with it, but here, the worst happened and he was called out on it by everyone, because it didn't work, and it was executed badly and scummily.

Worse, everything I'm saying about the narrative is coming true. They've totally lost all control of the game. Town is running laps around them now.

Xiahou is lock town at this point.

Fredwood is lock town at this point.

We just keep getting more and more people who can't be scum. So they couldn't bus GH here today either. One person maybe.

Zack/Manasi look the worst for obvious reasons.

This game is now a huge minefield of spew because as amazing as GH is, his posts are gonna leave some spew. I know his town game enough to know that dp push wasn't townie of him, and the game looked to be on easy mode as I'm re-reading.

A ton of you saw the same thing, that's the only reason why a hammer even happened here, that's usually terrible. But we can still talk, and that's looking like a huge pro-town advantage.

*Chox had even less to say D2; may have some spew in him wrt Zack, but it's debatable what it would mean

He's gotta be checked, he's just not urgent because he's consensus suspicious, and because my town is getting too big to ever lose the game.

*Barto is offering the most out of the lurkers, but almost all standard Barto fluff. I don't see why Pizza has more confidence in him than that.

Morale and humor. Barto doesn't feel like a dead man walking.

Cuth has some reasonable offerings and potential. I'll defer to Pizza on Xiahou, though in fact he has plenty of scope to develop. They shouldn't be up for consideration tomorrow.

Logic almost fully spewed Cuth. There's room for disagreement there and I'm sadface he didn't do anything this game, but late game lynch at the earliest.

Xiahou is almost lock town now as predicted. Zack flips town and Xiahou is locked up and you throw away the key on that.

You can also tell he's not trying to control the narrative. He just has his guess, like an elite Autolycus game.

Barto also felt at times like the low hanging fruit that some iffy people were pushing.

Use the time, folks, start from the beginning of day one and find reasons why people are townie. That's more important than finding the scums because I think they're cornered and the only way they can escape is if you break ranks and fall upon each other!

[Askthepizzaguy]

I would like to hear something productive from these people in order to get them out from the default lynch bucket: Cuth, Manasi, Choxorn and Xiahou. We need your input. What you find off so far from the game. Who do you suspect as scum? Help the town and also help the game, so it stays interesting.

Kage no, not Xiahou.

Play the odds, the odds in my estimation are very long there.

And look back to logic's posts where he mentions Cuth, I think Cuth's spewed. I know he hasn't done much but it's important not to forget why people are likely town.

Sort out who is likely scum from the list as a secondary objective. Find townies first.

I 100 percent concur it'd be nice if they said more things. But the scums are saying all the important things this game and what they're saying looks more and more like Cuth and Xiahou are town.

Reconsider that if our next lynches don't go well only. For me, my sexy friend.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Meaning you want to lynch Zack next day phase? I think Manasi has a higher probability of scuminess then Zack and we don't have the problem of WiFOM. Also if we get the Manasi lynch it effectively solves the Chox problem for the time being. I get what you're saying about Zack but I don't see him, even with the strangeness, as more likely to be scum then the other two gentleman I listed him with.

You have my explicit permission and endorsement to lynch Manasi d3.

Even if town, they're just providing cover for the scums with this game. They're not doing anything and they're seemingly deliberately wrong.

But if I die, my final wish is that Zack joins me ASAP. That's my epitaph. Never forget.

[Fredwood]

You still have a useful skill. You pick Chox or Manasi and we'll just lynch the one you didnt pick for 100% scum chance :)

Well, I was right on both of them (well I was going to vote for Logic, I wasn't fully confident), but I never got to vote fore either of them cus I'm scurred of hammers.

[Kagemusha]

Kage no, not Xiahou.

Play the odds, the odds in my estimation are very long there.

And look back to logic's posts where he mentions Cuth, I think Cuth's spewed. I know he hasn't done much but it's important not to forget why people are likely town.

Sort out who is likely scum from the list as a secondary objective. Find townies first.

I 100 percent concur it'd be nice if they said more things. But the scums are saying all the important things this game and what they're saying looks more and more like Cuth and Xiahou are town.

Reconsider that if our next lynches don't go well only. For me, my sexy friend.

I have something. I just want first to hear lots and lots of talk from some very silent people so far. Its not like im entitled to open up my whole process to scum team, at least yet..

[Fredwood]

You have my explicit permission and endorsement to lynch Manasi d3.

Even if town, they're just providing cover for the scums with this game. They're not doing anything and they're seemingly deliberately wrong.

But if I die, my final wish is that Zack joins me ASAP. That's my epitaph. Never forget.

I just feel bad for Zack if the narrative is true that he is scum, he had so much WIM day 1 and just sort of naively walked into a minefield.

That's my problem, I'm too sensitive for mafia, yeah sensitive, that's why I'm so bad because I care TOO much.

[Kagemusha]

I just feel bad for Zack if the narrative is true that he is scum, he had so much WIM day 1 and just sort of naively walked into a minefield.

That's my problem, I'm too sensitive for mafia, yeah sensitive, that's why I'm so bad because I care TOO much.

Dont worry. Im big old softie as well. I did lot of self debate inside before starting to pursue GH. Just because i like him as much as i do, but i just could not get around how scummy he was.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I just feel bad for Zack if the narrative is true that he is scum, he had so much WIM day 1 and just sort of naively walked into a minefield.

That's my problem, I'm too sensitive for mafia, yeah sensitive, that's why I'm so bad because I care TOO much.

He already gave us permission to not care too much. He said he'd be looking forward to a video game and some other high intensity mafia game that's about to start.

He's gotta know by now he's always a mislynch and that he's just a distraction and his game is just off unless he's town and choxxy is not, and even then, choxxy is going to die if he flips town.

He'll be okay. If he is scum this game sucks for him, if he's town this game sucks for him and the sooner he exits it the better he'll feel about it.

If I'm in his shoes I say don't drag this out. I don't intend to.

[Askthepizzaguy]

This is ripping off a band-aid mode, do it quickly, it's nicer.

[Fredwood]

Dont worry. Im big old softie as well. I did lot of self debate inside before starting to pursue GH. Just because i like him as much as i do, but i just could not get around how scummy he was.

Yeah that was the biggest reason I didn't vote him day 1. Let's be real there's no way I'm lynching GH day 1 (even though he would...sniff)

[Askthepizzaguy]

I wish for a vig shot.

Please and thank you.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Less anti-spew, more pew pew pew.

Thanks in advance.

[Fredwood]

He already gave us permission to not care too much. He said he'd be looking forward to a video game and some other high intensity mafia game that's about to start.

He's gotta know by now he's always a mislynch and that he's just a distraction and his game is just off unless he's town and choxxy is not, and even then, choxxy is going to die if he flips town.

He'll be okay. If he is scum this game sucks for him, if he's town this game sucks for him and the sooner he exits it the better he'll feel about it.

If I'm in his shoes I say don't drag this out. I don't intend to.

I get it, I've been in games where even as town I'm like lynch me already.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Well, I was right on both of them (well I was going to vote for Logic, I wasn't fully confident), but I never got to vote fore either of them cus I'm scurred of hammers.

Unfortunately you're lock town anyway, amirite.