Chess - Game Thread [Concluded]

[Fredwood]

Unfortunately you're lock town anyway, amirite.

TBF missing EoD is part of my meta kek

[Askthepizzaguy]

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Kagemusha
Dp101
Slaan
Fredwood <--- Lock today if not yesterday
Monty <--- Lock based on body of work this game
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reinoe <--- Lock on Zack scum flip, strong townie regardless
Xiahou <--- Should be lock now, but is definitely lock on Zack scum flip
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Cuth <--- Remember how Logic needled him passive-aggressively.


That's nine townies and a win. It's only not a win if one of these is a wolf. Which one? Please look but don't vote anytime soon.

[reinoe]

Wanna lynch zack over chox purely for ego.

If zack is scum them my "zack isn't talking to logic" is the coolest read I've ever made.

I see people eyeing Manasi as possible scum but for her alignment I see "space cadet". I don't mean that in a negative way but just someone who is never going to be truly engaged.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'd have been a little mad if GH did claim doc to self-pres and out the real doctor and people believed him, but he still dies eventually after claiming doc.

I just felt like putting the kibosh to any counterplay. No one that scummy should get to wriggle free on a claim. If that's a doc then we're down a doc, simple simple.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Wanna lynch zack over chox purely for ego.

If zack is scum them my "zack isn't talking to logic" is the coolest read I've ever made.

I think you're right. Remember when you said that and Zack did this:

I'd like to give you that ego boost man. It clears you and I need clear townies for the circle to work.

If it doesn't, still protect Xiahou for me after I die. That's my baby right there.

I see people eyeing Manasi as possible scum but for her alignment I see "space cadet". I don't mean that in a negative way but just someone who is never going to be truly engaged.

Very possible, has to be checked, is permanently in the POE.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I said I'd park my vote on GH for his twice-attempted counterwaggon to save Logic and I'll keep to it.
vote: GeneralHankerchief

I guess Barto could be bussing? I don't think so. No one is even giving him credit for it since GH was so scummy.

This is just a vigilant townie here. Low hanging fruit that was considered for a push d1.

I'll give you due credit for helping town win, EB. Even if no one locks you for it, you're doing God's work.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Not that it makes any difference to you guys, but this is why I'm always gonna make Zack die tomorrow, in addition to everything else he's done.

Yes. It's not something I feel comfortable or is good play to reveal yet.


1. GH
4. Pizza
8. Zack
11. Slaan
17. Kagemusha

There are more people I don't think are close to being the best lynch choice, but not necessarily a "big huge mistake".

Click through and read this.

Who do you think it would be a huge mistake to lynch, he doesn't even clear the hurdle on this one, he trips over it he's so low.

He went to the start of the thread and got the player list and deleted a bunch of names from it, because he couldn't tell you off the top of his head who he thought looked townie.

Me, Slaan, and Kage are not revelations. Himself, plus GH.

GeneralHankerchief was his one nonconsensus townie.

I didn't say anything at the time, but all this list did was make me ready to lynch GH because Zack is really likely scum for this post over all the others.

Especially now that GH has flipped.

He's always gonna die but if he flips townie somehow, now you know why I was never letting him go.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Even if GH flipped town that post was NAGL. I mean you only know he's town in that universe if you are scum at that point.

Town Zack should have agreed he was a little iffy.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Here's where I'm at right now:

I think Zack and Dp are still town.

I'm not particularly interested in lynching Pizza today even though I don't really have a read on him.

I think Kage is displaying some pretty decent towntells so far (willingness to get into it with people early on and picking his spots as they come) but I'm not giving him a pass for the full game yet.

Of the two Dp pushers I talked about earlier, I like Reinoe more than Cuth because Reinoe's explanations are decent and more well thought out than Cuth's.

I'm a little bit wary of Slaan right now because he's acting a bit different than in other games I've played with him in/read of his, but I think it can be chalked up to adjusting to a new environment for now.

I think Fred could be a bit better so far.

Vote: Cuth

Yeah, with GH and Logic's behavior toward Cuth, Cuth is town.

Nailed It.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Kage, follow me onto Cuth, his vote on Dp was bad.

This one too.

GH is like me and knows better than to kill a teammate on D1.

Cuth's town, everyone.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Can we lynch pizza for all the chess references?

Not before move 3.

I'll have 2 captured black pieces by then, and uh.... y'all won't be lynching me then. Plus I'll be captured by the black pieces.

L O L

It's all coming true!

[Askthepizzaguy]

Csargo and choxorn's posts on D1 look a lot better now that these two flips have happened.

Csargo almost definitely town now, choxorn shouldn't be the d3 lynchee, always Manasi.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I shouted "incorrect" at a lot of people on D1 who are turning out to be way ahead of me on a lot of trufs.

Well played dp101, Csargo your list of scums was still too big but you found like 3 of them and went after the right ones, I think.

Choxorn also super committed to bussing if this is bussing. Can't shake the generic-ness and how it looks a lot like mutual bussing, but I'm still impressed. Maybe you're just a naturally scummy guy having a good town game.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Zack/Manasi

Lock it in.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I've been able to identify the reason why everyone else in the game is a townie. Even the scummy-looking people I would never dream of throwing a town lock around because how scummy they are.

Zack and Manasi are the only ones left without a single townpoint in their favor, having forfeited any they ever had or never had any to begin with in Manasi's case. Started at -4 and was never talked about and never did anything except scummy things.

Zack though, his early game was a phenomenon. He got me and I'm not even ashamed to admit it.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Lock
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Kagemusha
Dp101
Slaan
Fredwood
Monty

Very very likely townie
reinoe
Xiahou
Cuthillius
Csargo

Scummy looking (kinda) but likely townie
choxorn
El Barto

Scum
Zack
Manasi


Zack edging Manasi due to the early game and WIM, despite everything else I can't deny that Manasi looks worse.

I found 10 townies I'd bet the game on. Every name is tiered to be preferred to survive over the name below it.

This is my legacy read.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I don't even think any of those leans are that controversial at this point.

Pretty sure we all solved this game and our only quibbles are exactly where people go in the POE and some folks just haven't had the time to do the work to lock in their fellow lock townies or don't have the same exact brainwave I do on why they're town, but they're gonna get there anyway because we all know where to go next so it doesn't matter.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I think the day one in this game was the single greatest day one of all time, if I am correct.

That's the only way this is even possible.

Half the townies were very townie, the ones that weren't super townie were correct, wolves all managed to arouse suspicion by someone, and wolves attempted to power wolf and it finally backfired, nuclear meltdown style.

This one's because town did it. You're all super stars.

[Choxorn]

I don't get how anyone's reading my interactions with Zack, Logic, and GH, and concluding that the 4 of us are a scumteam.

Pizza's right, it pretty much has to be Zack and Manasi for the last two scums.

GG.

[Choxorn]

I wish for a vig shot.

Please and thank you.

I like your thinking. A vig shot sure sounds good right about now. Well, as long as Zack gets to eat it.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I don't get how anyone's reading my interactions with Zack, Logic, and GH, and concluding that the 4 of us are a scumteam.

Pizza's right, it pretty much has to be Zack and Manasi for the last two scums.

GG.

I can even tell you my thinking.

"Someone's gotta be bussing".

During day 1, your posts also looked kind of generic, like these were all the right things to say but they were thin and not fleshed out. Like bussing for credit, something you will do on occasion.

But even at the time I was like yeah, but if he lynches all the woofs and never dies it's a problem.

But then I was like no it's not, you're choxorn and others pushed those cases, you have staying power. If anyone can bus it's you.

So I was like, he can possibly be scum still somehow, therefore he is scum.

Confirmation Bias.

Outside of that, you're having a hell of a game.

You're only not higher because my town is stacked and jacked, and wolves are wack and we found their pack.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I think Winston Hughes found literally every single wolf on day one.

Winston Hughes for MVP, I sucked compared to him.

[Askthepizzaguy]

^^ See above

@

You deserve to know, we now know that you knew. It is known.

[Askthepizzaguy]

@Winston Hughes

Trying that again. Apparently a space breaks it. Look up, man.

If this doesn't work I give up.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Lock
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Kagemusha
Dp101
Slaan
Fredwood
Monty
reinoe
Xiahou
Cuthillius
Csargo
choxorn
El Barto

Scum
Zack
Manasi

it!

You get a blue! You get a blue! Every townie gets a blue!

[Askthepizzaguy]

SHOUTY CHESS GUY

RAAAAAAAAAWWWRRRRR

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Golden Sweep = Old and Busted

Finegold-en Sweep = The New Hotness

[Kagemusha]

Good analyze Pizza. One thing i disagree with you is Manasi. I would replace her with Cuth. Why? Here is what i think.

Day one Cuth chitchatted with Logic, before anything really started. Its lazy for scum but easy. He got a vote from GH during day 1, which could very well be GH distancing himself from Cuth. Why? Because when GH invited me to go after Cuth, GH did nothing to pursue his case, so to me it seems like a distraction from my suspicion of Logic. Not a real case against Cuth. Nor there was a serious effort of turning Cuth vote into counterwagon. Second when i laid out my suspicion towards Cuth. He simply hid from me and did not reply. During and After Night 1 GH came under scrutiny, but for some strange reason Cuth did not have anything to do with it, which seems strange for a town player, nor did he vote either days.

Conclusion: Either Cuth is scum with a very weak game demoralized from the killer start of the town. Or Cuth is simply not interested and inactive. My paranoia says the first option, but this is the point when i can be wrong, because i have so little to work with. Therefore i encourage others to look at Cuth.

If others dont agree with me and want to lynch from Manasi and Zack duo. I encourage to lynch Zack, as from Manasi lynch we get zero information other then her flip. Tomorrow most info we can get is from Zack lynch, while it is also dangerous because how much it can distract us from other avenues.

Last before i get wacked. There is still a workday of time for us before the night ends. We should use it, because the coming day is very important and we should not stray and loose momentum with the start we have.

[Kagemusha]

Peeps. Dont let the Pizza sun make you blind. If he dies town still needs to have a plan.

[Dp101]

I’m also unconvinced that Manasi’s out of her town meta, though I’m not entirely sure who else could be scum (maybe Chox, maaaaaaaybe cuth).