Chess - Game Thread [Concluded]

[Askthepizzaguy]

While you're off playing 1 hour worth of Witcher, can you teach me how to save Padme, Slaan?

[Slaan]

Oh boy, fun

Dunno, process maybe, I had a number of problems with it (Besides me balking at being in POE). When doing a re-read you should have probably waited until you were done with the reread to post your thoughts because right now it looksinconsistent with what you've said to this point.

It was nearing end of night and I legit thought there is a real chance of me dying as (at the time) I thougth I was the only one besides pizza doing work... Monty came in later and added on as well but other than that I thought 'well mafia isnt going to kill pizza, pizza is most likely protected...' so I figured I'd get everything I read until then out in the open.

This is phrased all wrong. It's a hypothetical when you know it's not hypothetical.

I argued it from your PoV. I know I'm town, you don't know.

Forcing the town read against what the tell should be. Bantering with Zack and GH, first defending Logic then bussing him when it's clear I am never letting go and he could be a wagon. Passive aggression, the whole tell I used on Logic not being applied to Slaan because I've never played with Slaan and I wanted him to be town.

I'm still town and you are going in tinfoil territory. I bantered with everyone that was around when I was, Zack just was around all the time and with GH I had played a game recently. Can't defend the Logic push from me, couldve certainly come from scum me.. didnt but it could. And I'm mostly passive agressive I think, being plain is boring.

I don't know, it's an odd stance for him to take on a town Bart if he's scum. I mean I get Bart surviving to late game is good for him, but Bart isn't likely getting that far no matter what he throws out there. What does being right on a POE town read buy you?

I'll just put another thing that is bothering me is Monty in his list. He said he's a candidate for F5? The hell does that mean? It may just be my obliviousness to how many mislynches we have, just feels like a weird way to say I'm not looking to lynch him. Probably nitpicky though.

Anyway, I still think Chox or Bart is the way to go.

Yea this F5 was more or less randomly put in there. Wanted to write F3 but realised I'd be probably down lynching him even before that if the rest of my townies are still around so I put it as F5... I calculated later that we have 4-5 lynches left (10 ppl... but maybe scum has a vig still since town had one and holstered it so far. I know I would as mafia), know I'm failry certain its 4 and I don't think its likely that Monty will ever slip in there. But then again who knows, apparently I'm an option now ^^

[Slaan]

Slaan, your ELO rating is too damn high.

Dooku, Maul, Gunray, they were all disposable.

You got sent to Champs for a reason, and it's because you're the Sith Lord.

Vote: Slaan

I take it as a compliment, but unfortunatly you are wrong this time around.

[Slaan]

While you're off playing 1 hour worth of Witcher, can you teach me how to save Padme, Slaan?

Don't impregnate her.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I take it as a compliment, but unfortunatly you are wrong this time around.

As well you should.

If you would do me the honor of claiming, my friend, it would be most appreciated.

[Askthepizzaguy]

If you say vanilla townie, my vote's going nowhere.

[Slaan]

references to f3 I get, don't lynch until christmas because they look townie.

I don't know why specifically f5 should be referenced by a townie. f5 just seems to be planning out mislynches.

If you believe in the POE you think the game should realistically be over before then.

In the words of Ben Finegold, it's not knight f5. It's "Knife f5".

Na, I'm too lazy to do anything like that as mafia, I go with how the wind blows. Strong non consensus reads just gets one into trouble, call Monty town, lynch Chox or Bart today and then push the other the next day... that would be my mafia play I'd guess. Maybe I'll get fancy for the NK before F3 to stirr up confusion but until then always take the easiest path...

Not that that's saying much coming from me, but w/e

[Slaan]

If you say vanilla townie, my vote's going nowhere.

Would you want joat_giving!slaan to claim here?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Would you want joat_giving!slaan to claim here?

Absolutely.

[Slaan]

Then rip me, only poor VT here. You did name my character already in this thread even btw.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Then rip me, only poor VT here. You did name my character already in this thread even btw.

I imagine so. But then again, it looks so far like the peeps in this game are all well-known grandmasters or the most well known online chess personalities.

The flavor also seems completely random. I'd have never expected Mato to be mafia, by flavor. I think flavor gaming is a bad move anyway.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Slaan, I need to see your card.

I'm going to press you until I die now. I'm sorry.

[Montmorency]

SLAAN FIRST 24 HOURS

I think the overall picture that Pizza just prioritized was Slaan being relatively soft and bantery overall, but especially with regard to Logic, Zack, and GH. Without having finished D1 on Slaan, or caught up to this apparently exploding thread, @Askthepizzaguy, this is it right? Before I go forward, you think this early content is more telling than IIRC the fairly strong content that came afterward?

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

1. Sup --- Zack: *waves hello*
2. Zack: Aren't ellpses a scumtell --- Slaan: Dear god I hope not... I do it all the time :( --- Zack: Yeah...
Zack: What kind of game format does Slaan like?
3. Slaan only played with GH and Fred out of this group, some chance of reading. Cuth and Manasi were in mashes, but not enough familiarity to read with confidence.

[Cuth now has Cuth and Fred in upper half of POE]

4. Yes Zack I don't like mashes, also I won some Champs games

Zack: Yes we here know each other. I'm Zack/Zaccino.

5. Thanks Csargo for clarifying phase lengths, asks if he was in Champs
6. Where are the rules, Zack?

Csargo: Yes I was in Champs and played some MU turbos, don't think ever with you.
Zack: Can't read all posts in mashes, here will be more manageable. Also, here are rules.

7. I hope reading will be easier, though I see you are spammy and Manasi is around too.
8. TY for rules Zack
9. Forum has no good skins.

Winston: I stalked Slaan in Champs after bonding over Civ4.
Zack: Skins.

10. Oh cool Winston.
11.Skins, Zack.

Zack: Winston is McGinty on MU.

12. Civ games, Zack.

Zack: Civ games.
Winston: Champs, Slaan.

13. Champs, Winston.

Pizza: The Grandmaster is here (that's me).
Zack: Champs.
Monty: The Guild is the best skin.

14. Champs, Zack.

Pizza: Champs, Slaan.

15. Champs, Pizza.

Pizza: Champs, Slaan. Chess.

16. Yes, Pizza.

Logic: Civ games, Slaan.
GH: Vote Slaan, welcome to the ORG
Winston: Slaan is town below DP lock town.
Zack: Are any of those serious, Winston?
Monty: Winston strong list.
Pizza: Winston strong list.
Logic: GH, I'm glad you didn't welcome me with a vote in my first game here, like you're doing to Slaan.

[...later...]

Kage: Vote Slaan for hating skins
Manasi: Slaan less comfortable than he should be, likely scum.
Zack: Manasi, have you played with Slaan?
Kage: Slaan doesn't like skins.
Logic: Kage's vote on Slaan is lazy.
Zack: Do not like Kage's post.
Logic: Vote Kagemusha.
Zack: Banter Logic.
Kage: Vote Logic, but I will get Slaan someday.
Zack: What are you doing Kage?
DP: Kage do some work.
Zack: Why joke votes, Kage? Nothing to analyze.
Kage: Here is some analysis...I could not get any reaction from Slaan with my vote, which is too early for me to analyze. Logic seemed to be eager to react to my sudden activity, but thats about it. What have you observed?
Logic: I do not see Slaan as wolf, and Kage's random vote for non-game reasons is a tell.
Kage: Why is Slaan not scum? Meta?
Zack: I will not spoonfeed Kage my observations.
Kage: Why not be helpful?
Winston: Why did I townread Slaan earlier? Nothing substantive; did I think scum would be more relevant?

[SLAAN RETURNS, SOME HOURS AFTER KAGE-LOGIC STUFF BEGAN, WHICH ITSELF WAS AFTER PIZZA OPENED AGAINST LOGIC]

17. Slaan in the house again, will catch up.
18. Can we lynch Pizza for refereences?

Winston: Tempting to lynch Pizza, but no go on D1.
DP: Tempting to lynch Pizza, but he hasn't dropped a tell yet.

19. At least no more chess references if we lynch Pizza.
20. Reinoe, why do you like TMNT, it's not the 90s.
21. Vote Csargo, who is weak for (Csargo's words) "silly little argument" with Zack over OMGUS and suchlike.
22. We should lynch Kage over skins.
23.

I'm currently at this part and I think both are town. Dp101 just seems overall towny in tone and reaction and is trying to figure things out (I really liked post #310 of his) and reinoe seems unreasonable aggressive and obstinate which I hardly see from scum that mostly just want to blend in.

Winston: X-post with Slaan re: DP and Reinoe, Slaan is likely more correct than Winston tinfoil on their being partners.

24. Manasi, why do you think I wasn't comfortable?

Logic: Kage, I read Slaan's ISO and he doesn't feel like someone with PSI. Winston is odd in his response about better not to lynch Pizza, sounds PSI.
Winston: Reinoe is aggressive, yes SLaan, but it depends on the player. E.g. both Zack and Pizza tend to be more aggressive and obstinate by default as scum. And Logic, I was just speaking from experience. Lynching Pizza usually a bad move.

25. Kage how could I react if I wasn't around, there was plenty of other stuff for you to comment on. Zack probably wanted analysis like this anyway.

26. Winston, DP doesn't seem like a player to agree to aggressive posturing with a partner (i.e. Reinoe).

kage: Don't worry about skins. I can't get any scumminess from you but why doesn't Logic want to tell us why he thinks you aren't scum. Maybe he doesnt like to to become too involved in the thread?

[SLAAN BIG READS POST: Expects more from Logic, who isn't really solving - thinks Slaan town "(which makes him scum ;))"; Zack has many posts but not AI, reactions are notable but not AI because I can do similar as either town or scum; GH seems solvey but I know he can fake it so null, has to be judged by success in the day not by posts; Fred is OK, not many posts but focused on solving; Cuth weak pop in]

27.

Alright and I'm done catching up, yay. Overall impressions so far:

1. GH: Seems ok solvey but I know he can fake that as scum so he's just null in my book. Imo he has to be judged by his success in game and not by how towny he seems from posts alone.
2. Csargo: Didnt really like most of what he wrote, an early weird read that he immediatly backpaddled on.. wouldnt mind a lynch here today
3. dp101: Very towny from tone and AtE. From the comments I saw about him here he doesnt seem to be considered as the greatest player so him faking his frustration seems very unlikely
4. Pizza: ... I hope he stops with the rpg stuff or I'd consider vigging him if I had access to a vig.
5. Fredwood: Seems alright so far, not many posts but focused on solving the game.
6. El Barto: no poster
7. Montmorency: ... I'd call him toneally scummish atm.. there were alot of posts that feel off a bit. #119 akwardly trying to insert himself in our nonsense videogame discussion, his push on the 'reaction test' thingy (which I don't understand but I also don't care much), #250 is weird...
8. Zack: Actually don't have anything AI on him despite his many posts. The more memorable stuff was his reactions to being townread but thats just NAI in my book (since I sometimes do the same as both town and scum)
9. Cuthillius: weak pop in
10. Manasi: Manasi seemingly being solvey gives me the creeps. Also weird point made on my, how was I uncomfortable? Cautions sure being mostly w/ new folk but I didnt feel uncomfortable. Maybe a bit drunk but that's neither here nor there
11. Slaan: lock goat
12. Reinoe: The more I think about the more null she is. I don't think it very likely that her antagonizing attitude is wolfy but then again I don't see why not... given that its an alt an all. Maybe someone wants to try out a new strategy.
13. Choxorn: Who?
14. Winston Hughes: Almost same as Zack though I don't recall anything he said in regards to the game.
15. Logic: Didnt start solving really so far, a slight post on Kagemusha, a townread on me (which makes him scum ;))... I expect more!
16. Xiahou: ...
17. Kagemusha: Well his vote on me and then complaining that noone commented on it felt off... curious where he goes from here.

Where this leaves me:
dp101
Fred
GH, Zack, Winston
Csargo, Montmorency


... which isnt much now looking at it. The others are all basically null and I didnt want to put them all in there....

Yap :)

Zack: For now, DP, Fred, and Slaan are the only people I feel good about saying they're above null. Slaan is right that reinoe-DP probably both town.

28. OK Kage not a difficult hurdle to overcome. And Logic did become involved with the thread.

GH: Wary of Slaan who is acting different, but it could be different environment.

29. Ok I put Zack townish for now just for wall posting right after I wallposted!

30. Late response to Kage about ISO concept.

Zack: GH, more detail on kage, slaan, and fred. How is Slaan different? Give meta. And Slaan, wallposting is not AI in itself.

[ZACK-GH EXCHANGE BEGINS THAT WINSTON ULTIMATELY CONSIDERS VERY TOWNY]

31. Very true about wallposting Zack, I just liked seeing the wallposts in the midst of all the small posts. Also, I agree with your content so I upgrade you to a real town read.

GH: Slaan and Fred are both a tier down IMO, though I haven't seen their scum game. I'm comfortable reading Slaan from experience (e.g. Champs). It's hard to explain, but he isn't hitting the tone tells from the other games yet. Give it time and we will be able to tell either way.
Kage: Bad GH, tracking and other new Mafia things are complicated, get off my lawn.

32.

Everyone note it down: If GH mislynches me kill GH :)

Zack: GH, I disagree on Slaan, he seems fine, maybe he's a good wolf but not worth pursuing this early based on just paranoia.
Logic: Why doesn't Kage know what ISO is if he's so experienced?
Csargo: You voted me Slaan? Belated "cool".
Pizza: Manasi is iffy in saying that Slaan is likely scum

33.

[Slaan]

I don't even know where to start when it comes to flavoring chess grand masters lol. So yea, that part is NAI but I thought it funny when I reread the thread.... 'no thats me dummy' :D

Only thing solid I think I have for defence is my rather early sus on GH if Logic flipped scum.. doubt I'd do that as mafia ever. Bussing a partner and then using that to sus another partner. I can be cold but not D1 attacking 2 mafia bros cold...

If that helps. I'm out now for today :)

[Askthepizzaguy]

Before we continue, answer me this, Slaan.

regardless of alignment.

At one point in the game, it almost looked like you were hinting that you had a vig or a power. Was I imagining things?

You reacted every time I mentioned a vig.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I just want to know if I was picking up on something real you were doing to either draw a kill, or be able to counterclaim some townie someday.

Were you hinting you had a power, and did I see that?

[Slaan]

Oh now I gotta read the monty post brb

[Fredwood]

It was nearing end of night and I legit thought there is a real chance of me dying as (at the time) I thougth I was the only one besides pizza doing work... Monty came in later and added on as well but other than that I thought 'well mafia isnt going to kill pizza, pizza is most likely protected...' so I figured I'd get everything I read until then out in the open.

Yea this F5 was more or less randomly put in there. Wanted to write F3 but realised I'd be probably down lynching him even before that if the rest of my townies are still around so I put it as F5... I calculated later that we have 4-5 lynches left (10 ppl... but maybe scum has a vig still since town had one and holstered it so far. I know I would as mafia), know I'm failry certain its 4 and I don't think its likely that Monty will ever slip in there. But then again who knows, apparently I'm an option now ^^

"Work" is funny word. I guess it's only work if you announce it to the thread that you're working. There hasn't been much heavy lifting by anyone since Night 1. Once GH flipped scum it was only a matter of time before Zack got dealt with. Most of the activity since then has been reinforcing people's preexisting reads, until now that is.

The second part, i don't even get it. So you're saying Monty is a top 5 town read but you'd lynch him before then?

[Slaan]

Before we continue, answer me this, Slaan.

regardless of alignment.

At one point in the game, it almost looked like you were hinting that you had a vig or a power. Was I imagining things?

You reacted every time I mentioned a vig.

Oh yea wanted to be considered a valid NK target to give cover for our real PR's.. as well as a bit of reaction testing on top.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Those questions are part of my "am I just imagining things, or is this subtext" process.

I think the move as either alignment is good, especially when vanilla townie. I just want to know if you're like me and you also like to fake claim having powers when town, and would incorporate that into this game.

[Fredwood]

"Work" is funny word. I guess it's only work if you announce it to the thread that you're working. There hasn't been much heavy lifting by anyone since Night 1. Once GH flipped scum it was only a matter of time before Zack got dealt with. Most of the activity since then has been reinforcing people's preexisting reads, until now that is.

The second part, i don't even get it. So you're saying Monty is a top 5 town read but you'd lynch him before then?

Not even getting to the part that I'm confused by your Vig/mislynch logic. At this point I'm hoping a Vig would shoot the hell out of meh POE lynches.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Oh yea wanted to be considered a valid NK target to give cover for our real PR's.. as well as a bit of reaction testing on top.

Slaan, you are like a more likeable version of me.

I was a big fan during g11, and I still am.

[Slaan]

"Work" is funny word. I guess it's only work if you announce it to the thread that you're working. There hasn't been much heavy lifting by anyone since Night 1. Once GH flipped scum it was only a matter of time before Zack got dealt with. Most of the activity since then has been reinforcing people's preexisting reads, until now that is.

I did announce that I was rereading the thread at like 20:30 or smth iirc and started to spampost a bit every time I saw a small spew (which stopped as I didnt want to overspam the thread as stated earlier)

The second part, i don't even get it. So you're saying Monty is a top 5 town read but you'd lynch him before then?

I wanted to express that Monty wasnt in my lock town categorie and I could see him being scum. But he has some solid points going for him imo so he is not in the immediate PoE but also not secure enought hat I would like to F3 with him... It's like I don't know where to put him exactly so I came up with the F5 thingy. Didnt even consider how many lynches we had left at that point so it made sense to me then.. now knowing we have 4 lynches most likely it doesnt anymore, sure, considering the rest of my PoE is scummier in my eyes.

[Askthepizzaguy]

@Askthepizzaguy, this is it right? Before I go forward, you think this early content is more telling than IIRC the fairly strong content that came afterward?

The formatting is tricky. I'm unsure how to parse it.

I read all of Slaan's posts up until almost end of day 1 again. What I remember is that he had a very banter-y, slow start, made a comment about Logic to the tune of he didn't really agree with what I was accusing Logic of, I remember the passive aggression at Cuth post, and I remember that he hard bussed Logic and then named 4 other suspects, none were GH or Zack even though he had them in his mild scummy pile earlier than that post.

After that, GH and Zack outed themselves so any content after D1 is not alignment indicative.

[Slaan]

Slaan, you are like a more likeable version of me.

I was a big fan during g11, and I still am.

Haha ty, shouldve gotten a wildcard spot though... :p. I think GH is the one I need to rip a new one for that :D. g11 only one spot made me soo sad... but when giving this game only one spot I get why boq got it, more deserved for sure... even Alo over me imo but still, stung a bit ;_;

This is the first game I actually did this fake claming stuff... or at least tried to do it sorta convincingly. I mean did fakeclaim as mafia on my homeboard at times when it came around Lylo etc etc but not like this, it's an interesting strategy I think and I was bored so figured why not.

[Montmorency]

Yea this F5 was more or less randomly put in there. Wanted to write F3 but realised I'd be probably down lynching him even before that if the rest of my townies are still around so I put it as F5... I calculated later that we have 4-5 lynches left (10 ppl... but maybe scum has a vig still since town had one and holstered it so far. I know I would as mafia), know I'm failry certain its 4 and I don't think its likely that Monty will ever slip in there. But then again who knows, apparently I'm an option now ^^

Wait, just a few things to correct while I'm sorting out this storm.

10-8-6-4 means 4 lynchs including today. And town vig didn't holster, Pizza just killed Zack! And no one is counterclaiming...

Going by DP's claim, we have a gifter role.

[Slaan]

The formatting is tricky. I'm unsure how to parse it.

I read all of Slaan's posts up until almost end of day 1 again. What I remember is that he had a very banter-y, slow start, made a comment about Logic to the tune of he didn't really agree with what I was accusing Logic of, I remember the passive aggression at Cuth post, and I remember that he hard bussed Logic and then named 4 other suspects, none were GH or Zack even though he had them in his mild scummy pile earlier than that post.

After that, GH and Zack outed themselves so any content after D1 is not alignment indicative.

I don't think I had them in my slight scum pile, I had them at neutral iirc. Slight scum was Monty and csargo if I'm not mistaken at the time.

Regarding Logic.. well yea, from my perspective your push was purely a meta read which I can't really agree with.. I mean how, I don't have the meta. I thought logic was fairly alright-ish... except for his townread on me which I just ignored at first for a random rvs read and was more on Csargo at the time. Only when I reread after your push did I realise his read was meant to be seriously and that it made no sense from scum.

[Slaan]

Wait, just a few things to correct while I'm sorting out this storm.

10-8-6-4 means 4 lynchs including today. And town vig didn't holster, Pizza just killed Zack! And no one is counterclaiming...

Going by DP's claim, we have a gifter role.

Yes I think so.

[Slaan]

Now I'm diving into Montys post about me :)

[Dp101]

Wait, just a few things to correct while I'm sorting out this storm.

10-8-6-4 means 4 lynchs including today. And town vig didn't holster, Pizza just killed Zack! And no one is counterclaiming...

Going by DP's claim, we have a gifter role.

Pizza’s gun was also a gift, so that was already confirmed.