Chess - Game Thread [Concluded]

[Fredwood]

Idk what else to tell you, that's where I arrived after my first 30 pages.

I'm just sort of talking out loud to myself hoping someone smarter tells me I'm dumb one way or the other. I read EOD1 at least twice but I probably have a harder time divorcing my memory of the context of the thread because I was observing it all passively but was actively there for the actual "bart" push....I need to stop self-arguing points for your defense damnit.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Vanilla townie fake claiming having a shot claims there could be a missing kill that night, but not two missing kills.

You had to actually be a vigilante to even CLAIM there was three kills.

When you can no longer claim town vigilante, you are sweeping this one under the rug and going with vanilla townie.

None of your actual shots, if any were successful, were on actual suspects.

Since you are a vigilante and claimed not to be, you're mafia, Slaan.

[Montmorency]

I got it.

He does have a vig power and the doc has been successful.

There's no way he as vanilla townie claims that:



This is it, this is the damning evidence.

Nooooooo way in hell does he suggest this many kills are in play unless he's eventually going to claim town vigilante.

But EVEN if he was going to claim town vigilante, he's got to explain eventual scummy kills. So in lie-world, there's also a scum vig.

There's no way to account for all the missing kills at this point, so that plan has to be abandoned.

But he's claiming in this post there are 3 kills in play, two more than the known mafia nightkill, and he never had the joat's vig shot, because I did.

There wouldn't be a town vigilante in this game unless the mafia had one. And he could always claim to be a limited vig.

Since he knew that the town had a doctor, he could easily account for missing kills.

But from a vanilla townie standpoint, he should never be claiming a Third Kill.

That's it. That's the proof in your own words, Slaan.

You were gonna claim a limited vig and frame choxorn with it. But you had to back off because that's too many kills in play that we haven't seen yet.

But why does he need to frame Choxorn if he's in the POE? How does that happen?

If he doesn't know there's a Santa role then he can't expect there ever to be an opportunity to claim anything.

Vanilla townie fake claiming having a shot claims there could be a missing kill that night, but not two missing kills.

You had to actually be a vigilante to even CLAIM there was three kills.

When you can no longer claim town vigilante, you are sweeping this one under the rug and going with vanilla townie.

None of your actual shots, if any were successful, were on actual suspects.

Since you are a vigilante and claimed not to be, you're mafia, Slaan.

Aha, so you're claiming that he actually hit a protection tonight. But - we don't know that without a doctor claim?

And if a doctor doesn't claim, then we shouldn't lynch because a town doctor should absolutely claim if it clear a townie and saves them from lynch?

That makes it sound like either way he's town, but no - it means hinging so much on this assumption doesn't work.

[Montmorency]

Wait, DP claimed, OK.

Well, that's consistent, but... I need to think.

[Fredwood]

I think Pizza is playing 20 moves ahead of us already and I'm racing to catch up.

[Dp101]

Idk, maybe it makes sense for there to have to be a doctor for a one-shot strongman to come into play, because gifts being one shot only (and presumably non-repeatable) makes it so unlikely that strongman would actually make a difference that it would be basically pointless if gifts were the only means of doccing someone.

[Montmorency]

Idk, maybe it makes sense for there to have to be a doctor for a one-shot strongman to come into play, because gifts being one shot only (and presumably non-repeatable) makes it so unlikely that strongman would actually make a difference that it would be basically pointless if gifts were the only means of doccing someone.

Idk, maybe it makes sense for there to have to be a doctor for a one-shot strongman to come into play, because gifts being one shot only (and presumably non-repeatable) makes it so unlikely that strongman would actually make a difference that it would be basically pointless if gifts were the only means of doccing someone.

Bulletproof? Crimson snow in XCOM was like the only BP, and Mafia had to hit him twice, so it works. Also, all their kills were strongman (because of Winston), but that was a special balance characteristic...

If it's 1X Strongman and a full doctor, then it's like there's not much point to having extra 1X protection.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Universe 1: Pizza is wrong and Slaan is a vanilla townie.

He had been hinting on d1 that he was gonna shoot choxorn or pizza. Later, after the night phase, he claims if he was a town vig he would have shot choxorn last night, which then means that choxorn was protected somehow.

He still has choxorn as scummy, but he never claims and says that he shot choxorn and that choxorn survived. The doc also wouldn't be protecting there, so we know since this is vanilla townie world, he never shot choxorn. That explains the lack of choxorn dying.

But, we also have Slaan claiming the mafia have a vigilante shot on Winston and a full mafia kill on Pizza in that same post.

So, at the time of that post, Slaan the vanilla townie was claiming there were 3 shots in play, not 2. A really odd thing to ever claim, when only 1 kill happened that night.


Universe 2: Slaan is a Sith Lord

He had been planning to claim a limited town vig at one point, and was crumbing who he supposedly shot.

He wasn't claiming, but if it came down to it, he could claim that he crumbed shooting choxorn, and then it would be weird why choxorn survived. Maybe he's a mafia scumbag with a bulletproof, for example.

He could counterclaim any townie who claimed vigilante too, with this plan.

Ok.

But, since he's scum and knows scum team has a vig (which is him, it can only be him now) he claims there were 3 kills, only 2 successful.

One of which was on a protected target, which is why we didn't see it.

Only the scum vigilante or a town vigilante should know there were three kills last night, or even think to claim such a thing.

Since he has disavowed being a town vigilante (as well he should, he hasn't shot anyone for real since choxorn wouldn't have been protected n1)

He must be town vanilla or scum vigilante.

If he's town vanilla, why does he claim there were three kills, only 1 of which was visible?

This was an aborted fake claim attempt while there were still scumbags alive that he could trade himself away for to help them survive a round.

But no, he can't do that anymore, so he has to abandon the plan.

That's the story. He's not vanilla townie and he's not a town vig. His own words hang him.

[Fredwood]

huh...

what does crumbling mean?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Why would the mafia shoot both Pizza and Winston on night one?

Because the doc can only cover one of us!

[Montmorency]

Universe 1: Pizza is wrong and Slaan is a vanilla townie.

He had been hinting on d1 that he was gonna shoot choxorn or pizza. Later, after the night phase, he claims if he was a town vig he would have shot choxorn last night, which then means that choxorn was protected somehow.

He still has choxorn as scummy, but he never claims and says that he shot choxorn and that choxorn survived. The doc also wouldn't be protecting there, so we know since this is vanilla townie world, he never shot choxorn. That explains the lack of choxorn dying.

But, we also have Slaan claiming the mafia have a vigilante shot on Winston and a full mafia kill on Pizza in that same post.

So, at the time of that post, Slaan the vanilla townie was claiming there were 3 shots in play, not 2. A really odd thing to ever claim, when only 1 kill happened that night.

And he's not claiming, just speculating?

Universe 1: Pizza is wrong and Slaan is a vanilla townie.

He had been hinting on d1 that he was gonna shoot choxorn or pizza. Later, after the night phase, he claims if he was a town vig he would have shot choxorn last night, which then means that choxorn was protected somehow.

He still has choxorn as scummy, but he never claims and says that he shot choxorn and that choxorn survived. The doc also wouldn't be protecting there, so we know since this is vanilla townie world, he never shot choxorn. That explains the lack of choxorn dying.

But, we also have Slaan claiming the mafia have a vigilante shot on Winston and a full mafia kill on Pizza in that same post.

So, at the time of that post, Slaan the vanilla townie was claiming there were 3 shots in play, not 2. A really odd thing to ever claim, when only 1 kill happened that night.

Why would a solo scum want to claim vig? He has to die soon after.

But, since he's scum and knows scum team has a vig (which is him, it can only be him now) he claims there were 3 kills, only 2 successful.

One of which was on a protected target, which is why we didn't see it.

One successful, since you're alive.

If he's town vanilla, why does he claim there were three kills, only 1 of which was visible?

Why not, if he's town? I'm certain townies have speculated on there being 3 kills before.

This was an aborted fake claim attempt while there were still scumbags alive that he could trade himself away for to help them survive a round.

Why would "lock town" Slaan trade himself to keep Zack and/or GH alive for another day?

?????????????????????????

[Askthepizzaguy]

The jig is really up now. No vanilla townie claims there were three kills that night. Never happening.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Fredwood, Monty, check my logic.

I've got him. There's literally no way to explain that.

[Fredwood]

Fredwood, Monty, check my logic.

I've got him. There's literally no way to explain that.

It looks bad?, I mean I'm already waffling... I'll have to think some more just in case I'm just being blinded by your brilliance and fancy pants. (In other words I feel that might be a little bit over my head wrt to PR hunting providing scummy kill cover, where I come from everyone is a Power Role)

[Dp101]

The jig is really up now. No vanilla townie claims there were three kills that night. Never happening.

So wait, are you saying we had an additional doctor as well as the gifter? Because that's the only way this past night's results make sense from my perspective, and it seems like we have a few too many roles in that situation (or at least, it feels weird to me for there to be 2 protective roles of the same alignment).

[Askthepizzaguy]

So wait, are you saying we had an additional doctor as well as the gifter? Because that's the only way this past night's results make sense from my perspective, and it seems like we have a few too many roles in that situation (or at least, it feels weird to me for there to be 2 protective roles of the same alignment).

Yes, there is a full doc!

Shit I need to be able to explain this.

Ok, deep breath. There are two ways of explaining Slaan's posts. Check this logic.

[Dp101]

Yes, there is a full doc!

Shit I need to be able to explain this.

Ok, deep breath. There are two ways of explaining Slaan's posts. Check this logic.

Oh no, I get what you mean about predicting 3 kills and 2 prevented being scummy in this way, I was just saying that last night's results mean that we 100% have to have a full doc and I was not completely certain of that.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Oh no, I get what you mean about predicting 3 kills and 2 prevented being scummy in this way, I was just saying that last night's results mean that we 100% have to have a full doc and I was not completely certain of that.

We do, otherwise he wouldn't have blundered and guessed/claimed 3 kills.

Our town doctor was successful on night one!