Chess - Game Thread [Concluded]

[Askthepizzaguy]

Someone other than Pizza explain why Slaan was claiming D2 rather than idly speculating, why the specific fact of suggesting a town vig and a mafia vig on top of mafia NK is a tell given the events of D2, N2, D3, N3, and how any variation of this could have been a plausible strategy following the events of D1.

When 1 of your buddies is dead and 2 look like they're hanging, he was defending Zack on day 2 and prepping a vig claim for day 2 to save GH.

He doesn't have a more plausible strategy other than waiting to be the only scumbag left and soloing the game.

This was Slaan's way of upsetting the apple cart and getting non-GH and non-Zack deaths, but GH was not save-able.

And then when Zack died, that gambit had to be abandoned and buried so no one would remember it.

[Montmorency]

When 1 of your buddies is dead and 2 look like they're hanging, he was defending Zack on day 2 and prepping a vig claim for day 2 to save GH.

He doesn't have a more plausible strategy other than waiting to be the only scumbag left and soloing the game.

This was Slaan's way of upsetting the apple cart and getting non-GH and non-Zack deaths, but GH was not save-able.

And then when Zack died, that gambit had to be abandoned and buried so no one would remember it.

What I present below is evidence that if there was a plan to save GH, it was never implemented in any stage. During N1, Slaan said he would always lynch GH over Chox D2:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

I have a simple theory about GH rn. The Wild West game on MU was in a similar D1 state if Chox is mafia with two mafia being in the crosshairs of town right from the start and both got killed in the first two days. GH was the third wolf this game and bussed the partner that died D2 on D1 but tried to get off him D2 and onto Fred instead... in the end nothing worked out quite right (though the game was very close till then end, ending with a coinflip costing GH the game)

Anyway, so now he looks at a similar game with 2 of his partners (potentially) being in towns crosshairs yet again.. and he doesnt want to be with his back against the wall again so he starts earlier to try and get town off his partners, delay their lynches if at all possible.

Thats my working theory anyway rn in regards to GH... though I would always lynch Chox over him tomorrow

Wish that you die so you can get some rest or wish that you survive? :D

I'll head to bed as well, so in case me gets ripped let me give you my current list:

dp101, pizza, Winston, Kage
Fred
Monty, Csargo, Barto, Reinoe, Zack, Cuth, Xiahou
GH, Manasi
Chox

The big middle pack I'll need to sort out and have no strong feelings about one way or the other. I'm totally fine with pizzas points on Winston and kage/dp were looking good regardless (I got a bit sus of dp after his CFD comment but after Logic flipped mafia that looks very good for him).

The scummy points towards GH and Chox havent changed, I'm looking forward to hear from GH today. Manasi is just not playing like I'm used to, she is normally very chatty and active and here it's just ... well not much which pings me scummy.

Alright, gn8 all :)

Yes, Slaan isn't present much over early D2, but he continues to push GH (at least in theory):

Boy I'm just overall bothered by GH this game... just skimmed his ISO and nothing makes sense.

- Randomly votes around. First Csargo, then me, then on Cuth which was a seriously vote apparently (since afterwards he tried to get other ppl on it) but didnt bother to give a reason (Post 477). Maybe I missed it since I only skimmed but I dont think so
- Post 487 bothered me, it suprises me that he read me and Fred so strongly even though GH saw a max of 3 games from me apparently (Anni, 1 day of Champ game, Wild West)... over the duno how many games you guys had here on the Org.
- His Logic defence being wrong... for most ppl I dont mind them much being wrong and maybe I expect too much but still
- And most importantly: Where is his solving? Today nothing so far, there wasnt much yesterday as well as far as I've seen... I mean I get he has to kinda defend himself today but why isnt he wolf hunting?

He is just playing bad all over in my eyes... which is annoying as I don't see this happening from either scum!GH or town!GH. Only thing I can think of is him being a bit bored for random mafia yet again. Saw a post from Lime on discord lately and GH apparently randed wolf in at least 4 games lately: Wildcard reuinion, The thing, Xcom, Wild West ..

So yea GH, give us something. If you hand us your partners we promise to lynch you last :)

I'd want for GH to do _something_ before he is hammered so I'll keep my vote off him for now.

Sets a deadline for hammering GH:

There are different definitions? I was referring to end the day early by having (currently) 8 votes on GH which would end it prematurely. Which other definition is there?

I'm fine with hammering GH tomorrow at roughly 24:00 CET (so 24h before the day would be regularly over) if he hasnt done anything until then, as I'd just assume scum!GH to be wasting our time at this point.

I give GH until next 00:00 GOAT time.. or closely to it. So far he hasnt made any attempt imo to really play the game and I'd imagine if he finally randed V again he'd be all over this game so... yea curious if he will actually show up and do stuff or not.

Asks Zack why GH isn't Mafia:

Why do you think GH isnt* mafia

So I just went ahead and read every post so made D2 so far and there were only two in regards to defending GH, one where someone else asked you about your townread on GH where you responded like this



and an independed one



And I'm a bit lazy and don't want to ISO you 100% rn to find your D1 defence of GH especially since it will raise questions anyway considering GH's defence of Logic D1 and Logics subsequent scum flip. So please, explain us your townread on GH given all the information we have right now, would be much appreciated.

Notably, the post you condemn him with came rather late in D2:

I get it pizza. And I agree (with some minor caveats)... but we shouldnt think us victorious just yet. Suprising things always happen and I wouldnt be super suprised if there is in the end only one wolf under GH/manasi/chox... just because I've very very rarely solved the game after D1 in my 7 years of playing (and arguably when it worked it was mostly lucky guessing ^^). I like rein as town for probably all the wrong reason and would have to check her out again at some point, same with most others. Thing is the ISO function here is kinda annoying and makes me not want to do it...

It's weird, I'm kinda trapped in a game here that's between my homesite and MU. Few good tools to use (same as my homsite) but activity similiar to MU which makes rereading stuff annoying. Also I see a clear path to be taken rn which gives me even less motivation to go and check ppl out again.

I'm also really wondering which roles there will be in this game in the end. Doc is clear on our side... but I imagine a vig would've vigged Chox or someone last night. Maybe Winston was vigged from mafia and their NK on pizza failed? What other roles could there be in a game such as this? (my homeboard only uses the same boring roles over and over and they don't seem likely)... don't speculate on this, don't think it helps town... just things I wonder.

Would Sooh tell us if there is 3p around?

[Askthepizzaguy]

What I present below is evidence that if there was a plan to save GH, it was never implemented in any stage. During N1, Slaan said he would always lynch GH over Chox D2:

Saving GH wouldn't mean town reading him. That's the mistake you're making.

GH still gets killed, later. Maybe. If the town brains that want to kill him are still alive. It still rips the narrative away from town and can potentially cause a kill up the POE, away from the normal scums.

Choxorn was thought of as scummy at the time but he was all over every scumbag. That's why they needed to get him before those flips.

Once GH and Zack flip, choxorn isn't reasonably gettable.

Monty, you're amazing, but you're forgetting the timeline and also assuming Slaan has to town read GH to save him or delay his death.

Does not work that way.

He's toasted.