Chess - Game Thread [Concluded]

[Montmorency]

We have most of two days, and the only possible alternative right now is Barto, whom we haven't sniffed at yet.

Unvote: Barto

Vote: Slaan

Have some rest and we'll return to the whole mess the next RL day.

Though I kind of feel that there is no logical way for Slaan to clear himself if Pizza's reasoning is somehow valid.

[Askthepizzaguy]

LMFAO

I am officially so crazy sounding that even Monty cannot follow my logic.

ACHIEVEMENT. UNLOCKED!!!

[Csargo]

I don't get why the vig claim would have protected GH/Zack from death, so I don't really follow that.

I do think you're right though, because that paragraph was a huge leap of speculation based on absolutely nothing in the thread on Slaan's part, which just doesn't make sense at all unless you have information everyone else isn't privy too.

[Dp101]

I do think you're right though, because that paragraph was a huge leap of speculation based on absolutely nothing in the thread on Slaan's part, which just doesn't make sense at all unless you have information everyone else isn't privy too.

Ehh, I don't think NK speculation alone is scummy, I've done it as both alignments whenever there's a kill or results that I didn't expect. It's just that the number of kills predicted after only one death is a little odd.

[Csargo]

Ehh, I don't think NK speculation alone is scummy, I've done it as both alignments whenever there's a kill or results that I didn't expect. It's just that the number of kills predicted after only one death is a little odd.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I don't get why the vig claim would have protected GH/Zack from death, so I don't really follow that.

I do think you're right though, because that paragraph was a huge leap of speculation based on absolutely nothing in the thread on Slaan's part, which just doesn't make sense at all unless you have information everyone else isn't privy too.

Here's the scenario I see.

D2, Logic just got hung and GH looks bad and Zack looks bad. He'd already laid the ground work on day one and all the way into day 2 about him possibly having a vig shot. He suggested that shot was on choxorn, who had voted logic and also had GH and Zack as scummy at various times.

At that point, choxorn becomes super valuable to mislynch, before Gh and Zack flip.

After they flip, he's much less gettable. So, they'd need to do this on day 2, or on day 3. It also becomes much less plausible after that, because if he claims to have shot choxorn and nothing happened, why'd he wait so long to say so?

So it basically only ever happens on day 2 or day 3.

Meanwhile, he says Zack is town but GH is not.

Then, he and zack and gh decide whether to pull the gambit or not. Thus the stalling most of the day.

They see the writing on the wall as the wagon gets bigger and everyone finds him scummy.

At that point, the danger is if Slaan pulls this claim out, it's gonna look like he's deliberately trying to save GH. The moment has passed.

He could try it again on Day 3, mayyyybe.

That night, Zack dies. It's too late. The plan cannot work now.

Strongman that flipped means we have a town doctor, and he can only speculate on a third kill in his crumb post, with 2 missing kills in a single night, if he knows there was a missing kill. He has to be a town vig or a scum vig.

We have to have a town doctor, otherwise the strongman makes absolutely no sense. It's going to be used against a gifted 1 shot doc, that's overkill. It makes the gift giver even weaker and it's already generally a weak role.

Its value is mostly in confirming itself as an existing role.

[El Barto]

I have +50 posts to catch up with, but choxie schmoxie was the counterwaggon proposed by GH and also Zack and I did point it out. I don't think either of us is mafia.

[El Barto]

Hardclaim: Gift Giver

Oh, this changes everything.

I think you're both overvaluing and undervaluing the spew and planning too many steps ahead.

The lynch should always be Bart or Chox today in my mind. I don't see any scenario or any reason to even consider of lynching outside of that.

Hindsight's a female dog, innit?

BTW: Vote: El Barto

I believe in chess this is known as "forking".

If forking is what is usually marked as ??, then sure.

[El Barto]

OK, in a fit of townie-itis I've collected all the EOD tallies and colour-coded them for your convenience, as the TropeCo catalogue recommends. The interlocking claims of choxie schmoxie, pizzaman the cheesy poster and Dp101 make them all-but-town i.e. unbolded blue; bolded blue are people I know are town because the GM has said so.

THAT'S A LYNCH!

Pizza (1): Manasi

Zack (2): Xiahou, Dp101

Logic (6): Pizza, Slaan, Choxorn, Kagemusha, Winston Hughes, Csargo

Reinoe (1): Fredwood

Choxorn (3): Montmorency, Reinoe, Logic

Xiahou (1): El Barto

Dp101 (2): GH, Zack

Not voting (1): Cuthillius,

With 17 players there are 9 to hammer.


Standby for flip.

THAT IS A HAMMER!

GH (8): Montmorency, El Barto, Xiahou, Kagemusha, Pizza, Dp101, Csargo, Reinoe,

Choxorn (1): Zack,

Not voting (6): Cuthillius, Slaan, Choxorn, GH, Fredwood, Manasi,

With 15 players there are 8 to hammer.

(Zack is killed in the Night Phase, then Manasi implodes and becomes a policy lynch)

THAT'S A HAMMER!!


Manasi (7): Pizza, Slaan, Montmorency, El Barto, Cuthillius, Dp101, Csargo,

Not voting (5): Choxorn, Fredwood, Manasi, Xiahou, Reinoe

With 12 players there are 7 to hammer.

Feel free to wring tour brains with patterns. I'm spent.

[Dp101]

OK, in a fit of townie-itis I've collected all the EOD tallies and colour-coded them for your convenience, as the TropeCo catalogue recommends. The interlocking claims of choxie schmoxie, pizzaman the cheesy poster and Dp101 make them all-but-town i.e. unbolded blue; bolded blue are people I know are town because the GM has said so.



(Zack is killed in the Night Phase, then Manasi implodes and becomes a policy lynch)

Feel free to wring tour brains with patterns. I'm spent.

Forgot to include Reinoe in blue.

[Fredwood]

Oh, this changes everything.

Hindsight's a female dog, innit?

If forking is what is usually marked as ??, then sure.

A plus job of catching up.

[Sooh]

Vote count:

Slaan (2): Pizza, Montmorency,

Not voting (8): Choxorn, Fredwood, Xiahou, El Barto, Cuthillius, Dp101, Csargo Slaan,

With 10 players there are 6 to hammer.


EOD4:

[El Barto]

A plus job of catching up.

Well, I had about eight posts copied in notepad and I suddenly ran into choxorn hard-claiming so I threw most of them out.