Chess - Game Thread [Concluded]

**Montmorency** · 10-13-2017, 00:47

Originally Posted by Fredwood

One and only one of these is scum? You didn't say that?

I didn't say "it's only possible that one of Zack or GH is scum", either literally or in implication. I meant given what I read my prediction was that they were not paired. This does not mean that it is impossible for them to be paired.

**Fredwood** · 10-13-2017, 00:52

Originally Posted by Montmorency

I didn't say "it's only possible that one of Zack or GH is scum", either literally or in implication. I meant given what I read my prediction was that they were not paired. This does not mean that it is impossible for them to be paired.

I know, I was railing on your use of tentative with an absolute statement, I said as much that it was pedantic when you're saying I don't think they could be teammates. I mean I said as much myself at the time. The problem is that the way you state it feels more demonstrative then the way I did.

**Montmorency** · 10-13-2017, 00:55

Originally Posted by Fredwood

#1649 Is the post I was referring to thinking, that's a lot of words without a lot of anything that makes sense to me.

He does address it later, but I was too busy getting bothered by Slaan to really notice.

It's interesting because from a point of view GH/Zack and Monty could be seen as controlled distancing each other. So lol why would scum say "Hey look for something that could paint me in a bad light" but loleasycreditlol.

As long as you're reading me, give me your best shot.

I was railing on your use of tentative with an absolute statement

That's how it's typically used. You don't need to tentatively conclude that someone "might" be scum, because that's redundant.

**Fredwood** · 10-13-2017, 01:10

Originally Posted by Montmorency

As long as you're reading me, give me your best shot.

That's how it's typically used. You don't need to tentatively conclude that someone "might" be scum, because that's redundant.

Lol I'm nitpicking but I'm saying you shouldn't have said that at all, during the ISO I got to your wall and I had to stop and read it twice because the construction is more assertive then the wishy-washy EHHHH I don't think Zack could be scum with GH. Also you weren't implying "might" you were implying "not likely".

As far as reading you, I said where I'm at, I don't think I can seriously consider you right now with Slaan around. I've seen town do the things that bothered me during my ISO of you. I've never seen town forget demonstratively stated reads they've had.

Basically, I wouldn't have ISO'd if Pizza didn't ask, and I feel very conflicted about the Slaan flip. He's my biggest scum read, but I just really don't want him to be scum. Part of it is the response to legit issues with him, cus I do that often as town, but his initial response to pressure was really bad.

shrug

**Montmorency** · 10-13-2017, 01:37

Lol I'm nitpicking but I'm saying you shouldn't have said that at all, during the ISO I got to your wall and I had to stop and read it twice because the construction is more assertive then the wishy-washy EHHHH I don't think Zack could be scum with GH. Also you weren't implying "might" you were implying "not likely".

I think it's clearer if you understand the GH ISO on why GH is scummy as separate from, though informing, the interaction analysis with Zack.

I don't know how to resolve Slaan; I've read his responses better than you or Pizza, but he may or may not be mechanically compromised.

**Fredwood** · 10-13-2017, 01:57

Originally Posted by Montmorency

I think it's clearer if you understand the GH ISO on why GH is scummy as separate from, though informing, the interaction analysis with Zack.

I don't know how to resolve Slaan; I've read his responses better than you or Pizza, but he may or may not be mechanically compromised.

If you're reading him better talk me down on the inconsistency or straight up forgetfulness of his reads. It's sticking in my craw right now. His response is he was just parroting Pizza, I never got the impression that that was something he'd do when I've seen him town before. Especially not to the point where he forgets the reads. Maybe I'm being too much of a stickler about it because I just remember my reads as either alignment so it might be projection or too much to expect everyone else does the same.

**El Barto** · 10-13-2017, 02:31

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Barto is in the POE and he's who I would have lynched today if Slaan's POE didn't look overly calculated.

What?

**Slaan** · 10-13-2017, 16:36

Originally Posted by Fredwood

As far as reading you, I said where I'm at, I don't think I can seriously consider you right now with Slaan around. I've seen town do the things that bothered me during my ISO of you. I've never seen town forget demonstratively stated reads they've had.

This is also a read that's weird to me. Especially as mafia I'd be careful on how my reads progress and make sure everything fits neatly together... just look at my readlists from the orchestrated chaos game:

Day 1 part1
Day 1 part2
Day 2
Day 3
Day 4

I don't forget reads as mafia.. and I don't make them up unless I can explain how I got there. As towny here on the the other hand I have other things on my mind and don't pay so much attention to my progression but why would I, got nothing to hide... which is probably not a good thing but I can't invest the energy over this long period of times lacking the motivation I'd have as mafia (I much prefer playing as scum...). In addition I had a hard work week, hosted a mafia game on my homesite (currently still running) and other private stuff going on so yea, me adopting someone elses reads whom I trust and then forgetting about it because it wasnt really my read is just something that happens apparently.

I mean I know that that's what happened, don't know if I can make you believe me.... or if it makes any difference as I doubt anyone would trust me come F3 or smth so might as well resolve me today if that clears other stuff up.

That being said I'm getting an uncomfortable feeling from Fred... why does he have problem in reading Monty as long as I'm around? Doesnt matter what my affiliation is, as either I'm scum then the game ends when I'm lynched or I'm town in which case the game proceeds... so they only way it makes sense to look at monty should be under the assumption that I'm town. Feels like he's setting up Monty to be another lynch candidate after I flip... not to mention that I feel his play is different from his wild west game. Feels way more aggressive here.. maybe that's only because I'm on the receiving end though (or because he was under fire in the WW game..).

**Fredwood** · 10-13-2017, 18:39

Originally Posted by Slaan

This is also a read that's weird to me. Especially as mafia I'd be careful on how my reads progress and make sure everything fits neatly together... just look at my readlists from the orchestrated chaos game:

Day 1 part1
Day 1 part2
Day 2
Day 3
Day 4

I don't forget reads as mafia.. and I don't make them up unless I can explain how I got there. As towny here on the the other hand I have other things on my mind and don't pay so much attention to my progression but why would I, got nothing to hide... which is probably not a good thing but I can't invest the energy over this long period of times lacking the motivation I'd have as mafia (I much prefer playing as scum...). In addition I had a hard work week, hosted a mafia game on my homesite (currently still running) and other private stuff going on so yea, me adopting someone elses reads whom I trust and then forgetting about it because it wasnt really my read is just something that happens apparently.

I mean I know that that's what happened, don't know if I can make you believe me.... or if it makes any difference as I doubt anyone would trust me come F3 or smth so might as well resolve me today if that clears other stuff up.

That being said I'm getting an uncomfortable feeling from Fred... why does he have problem in reading Monty as long as I'm around? Doesnt matter what my affiliation is, as either I'm scum then the game ends when I'm lynched or I'm town in which case the game proceeds... so they only way it makes sense to look at monty should be under the assumption that I'm town. Feels like he's setting up Monty to be another lynch candidate after I flip... not to mention that I feel his play is different from his wild west game. Feels way more aggressive here.. maybe that's only because I'm on the receiving end though (or because he was under fire in the WW game..).

Pizza literally requested someone else to ISO monty because he needed fresh eyes. He has no reason to listen to you, Monty isn't going to do it, Bart is isn't even reading the thread. So I mean I guess I should have ignored him. In the end I'm pretty much where I was at the beginning of the phase with Monty just with more specifics, I'm not going into where I'd Lynch Monty because I don't know, I think he's town at the moment. I don't have him unlynchable, or lock, I never did.

**Slaan** · 10-13-2017, 18:48

Originally Posted by Fredwood

Pizza literally requested someone else to ISO monty because he needed fresh eyes. He has no reason to listen to you, Monty isn't going to do it, Bart is isn't even reading the thread. So I mean I guess I should have ignored him. In the end I'm pretty much where I was at the beginning of the phase with Monty just with more specifics, I'm not going into where I'd Lynch Monty because I don't know, I think he's town at the moment. I don't have him unlynchable, or lock, I never did.

I wasnt objecting to you ISOing him or even the points you made, it's the way you didnt want to place him... the reason being essentially because I'm around. You said in your ISO of monty Post #1896 that your read has taken a hit and you see crafty wolf in his day and now he's town again.. the fact that you mention me in this ISO 3 times is also weird to me.... though tbh I don't know how to place that. Guess its simliar to the way you suss that I find this progression and reasoning bad but I also somehow don't see this coming from a mafia who'd have a firmer opinion and not flip flap like that....