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    Quote Originally Posted by Fredwood View Post
    sigh...

    Maybe you truly don't see the difference, maybe you do, at this point I don't know how else to say it to make it clear.

    At the start of the day you weren't in the POE for today, you were in the lynch as last resort pile. Now you're in the needs to be dealt with sooner then later pile. I

    You were saying, Yes, I believe we should follow this POE (except lol Bart is in my Final 3...for whatever reason), but Imma go ahead and plan out all the lynches until final 3.

    It's the difference between playing for the day and playing 4 days ahead. Now what Monty is saying that since we're considering you that we're severely altering our path to victory that was established pretty much since the first phase, so that means we have to think it out. I don't think it really is a valid point, it just means we have a smaller don't lynch until later pile.
    Didnt Chox just basically take my place? What else has changed?

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    Vote count:

    El Barto (1): Montmorency,

    Csargo (1): Xiahou,

    Not voting (8): Choxorn, Fredwood, El Barto, Cuthillius, Dp101, Csargo Slaan, Pizza,

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    Strongman and no doctor. That's just bizarre.

    Okay. Barto I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slaan View Post
    Didnt Chox just basically take my place? What else has changed?
    No Chox is in the never lynch pile now. To my mind nothing has changed because yes, essentially you guys swapped. Which is why I don't agree with Monty, but he's also not saying the same thing you were doing.

    However according to your logic with Bart, Chox should have always been in the never lynch pile. Basically anybody with somewhat valid spew should be, which means Monty shouldn't have been in your lynch as last resort. Your logic was inconsistent within your own post.

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    Alright, basically through now (page54 but that oughta do... not like ppl sussing me after this is gonna help me find the last wolf ^^)

    Quote Originally Posted by Fredwood View Post
    No Chox is in the never lynch pile now. To my mind nothing has changed because yes, essentially you guys swapped. Which is why I don't agree with Monty, but he's also not saying the same thing you were doing.

    However according to your logic with Bart, Chox should have always been in the never lynch pile. Basically anybody with somewhat valid spew should be, which means Monty shouldn't have been in your lynch as last resort. Your logic was inconsistent within your own post.
    After I read the first 30 pages In my mind when they started going after Barto that had a real chance of working out... later the wagon on Chox didnt as much. So seeing as they couldnt save Logic by forcing a town mislynch in Barto they switched to Chox to bus a partner here into a 2 mafia wagon D1 scenario... I had this on my mind partly because of what happened in our Wild West Game were GH pushed mudkip when Bumblebee was getting lynched. It triggered a blindspot for me in that game because I hardly ever see two wolf wagons on D1 on my homesite but in this MU-ish meta that seemes to be a valid strategy.

    I have to admit though that my reasoning isnt perfect on Barto. In the end it doesnt matter all that much who dies if Barto is indeed mafia and they bussed him then. If Barto ended up being the flip then great, they'd have gotten tons of cred (similiar as everyone that pushed the logic wagon got).. if not at least they distanced themselves etc. So yes, Barto is far from lock town.

    So let me give you my current thoughts on everyone:

    Csargo: Only small things clearing him. Like Zack multiple times saying there was lots of bussing going on on the Logic wagon which I usually here from wolves when there was, in fact, no bussing. Other than that I don't think there is much....
    Dp101: Massive tinfoil territory with a possible slip but overall he just looks too good. The spew, the tone, the 'bussing'. Only thing that botheres me is how inactive he was now. I think mafia would like to play passively right about now and let town tinfoil on each other... but I doubt I could ever kill him over the others.
    Pizza: Heh, also massive tinfoil but if he is mafia this is a 1% play and he'd never get townread for wolfhunting again as long as he is alive so that's probably a bad play to make even as scum just for being townread this game ^^. I kinda have a pet theory that he is some 3p that knows all the roles and has to be last man standing with a bulletproof vest... hello speculation. He can have this game in this case though as well, don't see how we'd realistically ever catch that.
    Fredwood: I don't like how he is going after me but he looks good the previous days and even the way he is going after me I'd consider more towny. At this point in game I don't think mafia is looking to be very active and push mislynches... especially Fredwood who I'd overall not charcterize as aggressive would sit back more, not be on the forefront of a Slaan mislynch. I think he is just entered tunnel territory on me which is fine (well ish)
    El Barto: Actually difficult. I liked my previous theory but that one was obviously wrong with Chox claim and all. Maybe I got it backwards and they sussed/did distancing thingy with Barto and didnt think it would go anywhere (or that Barto could clear himself, Zack did jump off him very lightly)? Barto was in the scumpile of both GH and Zack, so maybe he was the designated low mafia fruit they wanted to go after for cred. Barto himself did vote pretty well overall but that could very well be part of this strat, not to mention that he wasnt really constructive when Zack/GH were still around but got rather active once it was clear he would have to solo? I have to admit I have a blindspot when it comes to coordinates mafia strategies as I'm not yet used to games with mafia chat and mafia actually talking, we don't have this on my homesite. Only in the Champ game did I see the mafia doing something to a coordinated strategy, in Wild West there was none and in the orchestrated chaos game we also didnt coordinate much (nothing I'd really call a strategy anyway, talked night kills and power usage)... so maybe I'm overthinking it but in the end I think he has to die before the game ends.
    Cutch: Not much to read up on, the townpoints some bring up are there but there is soo little.. that's NAI but having him in F3 would be terrible without having anything to really read up on. Not that anything he can say now is going to change that I think so imo he has to go at some point. How is the modkill policy here? He has only 1 post so far this phase....
    Monty: I'd let him live I think. I didnt find anything damning with now knowing the flips. On top of that his WIM has been insane, I'm not a big fan of the way he does ISO (more recounting what happened and less analysis) but doing all this work and on top of that apparently reading older games etc..? Yes townreading one for him alone isnt great but he is mafia he is pretty insane. And similar to Fredwood: Why would he interfere so constructive in pizzas case against me? I mean it can be mafia to bolster their own cred for being right in the end on me but then why vote me.... Just sit back, enjoy the show or write smth non committal or w/e.. but he seemed to be in my head as he mostly wrote exactly what I was thinking/my position. Now tinfoil me says thats because he knows I'm town and can thus better judge the situation and make those posts... na, I'd let him beat me this game.
    Chox: Actually lock clear. Well 99%, Cuth could come around and counterclaim I don't think he'd seen it yet but the way he claimed was just towny.
    Xiahou: I'd lynch him without a second thought. Yes his voting profile looks good but that's about it... and that's actually also what concerns me. He seems to be hardly around, I doubt he reads the entire thread (or I'd imagine he'd post more comments). Now how can he have such a great voting record? I have players on my homeforum that follow the strat to just bus ppl and be quiet otherwise and then let their votingrecord speak and I feel like this could very well be happening here...

    So this leaves me with the following list of ppl from most want dead to least want dead:
    Xiahou -> Cuth -> Barto -> Csargo -> Monty -> Fred -> dp101 -> pizza -> Chox -> Slaan

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    Vote: Xiahou

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    Vote count:

    El Barto (2): Montmorency, Pizza,

    Csargo (1): Xiahou,

    Xiahou (1): Slaan,

    Not voting (6): Choxorn, Fredwood, El Barto, Cuthillius, Dp101, Csargo

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    Xiahou can be a suspect tomorrow at the earliest.

    He's never been under pressure and needs to be given a chance to claim before he's speed lynched.

    Other than that, it's an okay theory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy View Post
    Xiahou can be a suspect tomorrow at the earliest.

    He's never been under pressure and needs to be given a chance to claim before he's speed lynched.

    Other than that, it's an okay theory.
    Actually a good point.... I wonder if we should ask Cuth to claim if he's around... but I guess you are all set on Barto dying today so w/e.

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    Cuth you said you are more or less caught up.. what is your take on the situation?

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    Pizza what do you make of the Xiahou vote?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fredwood View Post
    Pizza what do you make of the Xiahou vote?
    I don't know.

    At this point I will say we are not masons and I don't have any reason besides his votes to suspect he's a townie.

    The votes looked good is all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy View Post
    I don't know.

    At this point I will say we are not masons and I don't have any reason besides his votes to suspect he's a townie.

    The votes looked good is all.
    No I don't mean for the point of sussing Xiah, it's a bad post I guess. I was just seeing if you thought he was an accurate voter in this situation like Auto was in XCom. It basically was never mentioned or discussed by anyone but a ? from Bart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fredwood View Post
    No I don't mean for the point of sussing Xiah, it's a bad post I guess. I was just seeing if you thought he was an accurate voter in this situation like Auto was in XCom. It basically was never mentioned or discussed by anyone but a ? from Bart.
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    I have to be able to see the motive.

    The bare naked vote from Xiahou on Csargo doesn't do much for me. If I am to change on a town read I have to see the motive.

    Spelled out for me where during the game Csargo was helping the mafia team, and why those posts are indicative of mafia instead of town.

    Like, I can see a plan from Monty, if I squint real hard. I didn't really ever see a plan from Csargo.

    Plans can be individual tactics or coordination with the scum team as a whole.
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