Chess - Game Thread [Concluded]

[Fredwood]

Bingo.

This is much more condemning.

I'd lynch Csargo over this post for sure.

This is the narrative that pretty much HAD to be spoken by the final scum.

Saying both isn't likely is odd, but I know Monty and myself both said, that we didn't think that they could be scum together. The timing and both of them were jumping on the grenade just didn't make sense for teammates to do. My guess is they both came to the decision to pounce on the same thing independently.

Ultimately when it comes to my view of GH, (Similar to where I'm at with SLaan) there was enough wtf is he doing to vote for him, but I still had doubts because I don't think I should be able to catch scum GH so easily. So from my perspective, I can see how Csargo makes that post.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Saying both isn't likely is odd, but I know Monty and myself both said, that we didn't think that they could be scum together. The timing and both of them were jumping on the grenade just didn't make sense for teammates to do. My guess is they both came to the decision to pounce on the same thing independently.

Ultimately when it comes to my view of GH, (Similar to where I'm at with SLaan) there was enough wtf is he doing to vote for him, but I still had doubts because I don't think I should be able to catch scum GH so easily. So from my perspective, I can see how Csargo makes that post.

I believe the fourth scum absolutely has to push the narrative that one of GH or Zack are not scum for that EOD, and saying both might not be scum is the best. Also, since people aren't suspecting him hard after the Logic bus, he's the only wolf really capable of selling that narrative.

[Sooh]

Vote count:

El Barto (3): Montmorency, Slaan, Choxorn,

Csargo (2): Xiahou, Pizza,



Not voting (5): Fredwood, El Barto, Cuthillius, Dp101, Csargo

With 10 players there are 6 to hammer.


EOD4:

[Fredwood]

I believe the fourth scum absolutely has to push the narrative that one of GH or Zack are not scum for that EOD, and saying both might not be scum is the best. Also, since people aren't suspecting him hard after the Logic bus, he's the only wolf really capable of selling that narrative.

Right but Monty and myself were both selling that. In fact I was doubting my suss of GH. I think it goes back to the first point you made in the iso. The you're not doing much in your posts suss is not something you throw at a teammate who has some deep wolf cred.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Right but Monty and myself were both selling that. In fact I was doubting my suss of GH. I think it goes back to the first point you made in the iso. The you're not doing much in your posts suss is not something you throw at a teammate who has some deep wolf cred.

Yeah. That was the thing that was holding me back until the narrative post and the Logic bus.

I can see it both ways.

[Sooh]

That's a lynch!

El Barto (4): Montmorency, Slaan, Choxorn, Fredwood,

Csargo (2): Xiahou, Pizza,



Not voting (4): El Barto, Cuthillius, Dp101, Csargo

With 10 players there are 6 to hammer.

[Sooh]

Zzzzzz....

Wait... what? Are we done for today?

Then who?

Oh... Ok, here we go:

El Bartolomeo has left the tournament!

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

He was Garry Kasparov.



You were born in the Soviet Union, but are currently reciding in Croatia. For about 20 years you were the world's number one chess player, until one little brat from Norway came and kicked you down off your throne. That's ok though, you had already retired when that happened. Your current rating is 2812.

You are a Vanilla Town.

N4 ends in:

[Slaan]

After the delay I really thought we got it...

[Fredwood]

After the delay I really thought we got it...

Yeah I was kind of anxiously awaiting the results and kept f5ing.

Otherwise sigh.

[Slaan]

So a question before I start blindly speculating again... should we discuss what Chox should possible do now with his night actions/does anyone know what he possibly could do? Does that make sense to coordinate it? I mean mafia would see it but I think there are potential options where it doesnt matter if mafia knows or not... like maybe chox can gift a bomb to someone to use next night (not saying who he should give it to obviously)... that would be always +EV I think? Not sure if thats a viable option though... thoughts?

[Askthepizzaguy]

So a question before I start blindly speculating again... should we discuss what Chox should possible do now with his night actions/does anyone know what he possibly could do? Does that make sense to coordinate it? I mean mafia would see it but I think there are potential options where it doesnt matter if mafia knows or not... like maybe chox can gift a bomb to someone to use next night (not saying who he should give it to obviously)... that would be always +EV I think? Not sure if thats a viable option though... thoughts?

Chox knows what to do with his power. He should give it to someone likely to survive the night, even if they aren't super lock clear.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Slaan looks both good and bad by iso. Looked good on first viewing, flip it and looks differently. I don't think I ever push him again though, I'll just hope I'm wrong. The tinfoil is strong.

Outside of that, Monty looks best for deep wolf (and best for being a townie, because amazing play either way) Csargo looks best for catchable wolf.

[Slaan]

Slaan looks both good and bad by iso. Looked good on first viewing, flip it and looks differently. I don't think I ever push him again though, I'll just hope I'm wrong. The tinfoil is strong.

Outside of that, Monty looks best for deep wolf (and best for being a townie, because amazing play either way) Csargo looks best for catchable wolf.

If you are afraid I'm going to be rude again don't be. I learned an important lesson about the mental state I shouldn't have when entering a volatile game such as this (and again: sorry for lashing out) and it won't happen again.

From my PoV rn the game is over anyway. I'd just vote down my PoE and not do much else unless new points come up... I won't do another reread.. maybe one more ISO if I'm really bored but doubt it... maybe if find myself in a F3 scenario with Monty and Fred but even then probably not cuz I'm fairly certain I'm the default lynch in this case ^^.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Right but Monty and myself were both selling that. In fact I was doubting my suss of GH. I think it goes back to the first point you made in the iso. The you're not doing much in your posts suss is not something you throw at a teammate who has some deep wolf cred.

Scum Freddo really has no reason to doubt any Csargo is scum theory. Csargo has to be in his lynch pile.

Just reaffirms my stance on him.

Anyway, if we have a doc they need to be on Choxorn. I've already stated who we shouldn't ever lynch and tried to case the remainders as much as I possibly can, given Xiahou and Cuth's posting patterns.

No lynches on me, freddo, dp101, choxorn. If we can't find it in the remaining then we deserve to lose.

[Fredwood]

Scum Freddo really has no reason to doubt any Csargo is scum theory. Csargo has to be in his lynch pile.

Just reaffirms my stance on him.

Anyway, if we have a doc they need to be on Choxorn. I've already stated who we shouldn't ever lynch and tried to case the remainders as much as I possibly can, given Xiahou and Cuth's posting patterns.

No lynches on me, freddo, dp101, choxorn. If we can't find it in the remaining then we deserve to lose.

Lol well I was considering asking how experienced Csargo is as scum. I don't mean it as an insult or anything, I just honestly don't know.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Lol well I was considering asking how experienced Csargo is as scum. I don't mean it as an insult or anything, I just honestly don't know.

He was in the very first mafia game on the site, I believe?

I could be wrong. And his name had changed a couple times since then.

But he's ancient.

Been scum probably as often as I have by now.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Right but Monty and myself were both selling that. In fact I was doubting my suss of GH. I think it goes back to the first point you made in the iso. The you're not doing much in your posts suss is not something you throw at a teammate who has some deep wolf cred.

Yes, the tell isn't generic here though.

The final scum had to be doing this in my opinion. It's the only plan that wins.

Just because townies were doing it too, doesn't mean that logic isn't valid.

It isn't "anyone who is doing this is scum"

It's "someone who is doing this is scum".

Only a few folks were. And you and Monty both look a lot townier to me from the rest of your work.

See the process?

[Fredwood]

Yes, the tell isn't generic here though.

The final scum had to be doing this in my opinion. It's the only plan that wins.

Just because townies were doing it too, doesn't mean that logic isn't valid.

It isn't "anyone who is doing this is scum"

It's "someone who is doing this is scum".

Only a few folks were. And you and Monty both look a lot townier to me from the rest of your work.

See the process?

Yeah, I guess. I realize every-time I say something to argue with you that it should Csargo saying it so I'll just let you work lol.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Pizza
choxo
dp101
Fredwood
Xiahou
-------------------
Monty
Slaan
Cuth
Csargo

Possibly final answer.

3 shots into that bottom 4 means we should still win, but lol us if we can't.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I feel like the bottom 4 all did their best to argue against the Logic lynch (and/or) tried to get us off of suspecting both Zack and GH or one of each.

As such those are generically the correct suspects.

Lynch them in order of least to most townie in your own mind.

[Askthepizzaguy]

My suggestion to the bottom 4 is to look into why the others in that pile are not the scums we're looking for, and also, why they are.

[Slaan]

Saying both isn't likely is odd, but I know Monty and myself both said, that we didn't think that they could be scum together. The timing and both of them were jumping on the grenade just didn't make sense for teammates to do. My guess is they both came to the decision to pounce on the same thing independently.

Me too btw. I think it's the normal reaction to the way those two buddied each other (which kinda makes me suss everyone a bit who hasnt but considerings its mainly pizza that heroshotted Zack it's hard to argue ^^)