Chess - Game Thread [Concluded]

[Askthepizzaguy]

Stickied at the top of the forum:

link

Gameroom Statistics (link) - Contains statistics on games and mafia players. Awesome job, Romanic! (note: not updated since 2011)

Xiahou
Mafia: 3 games (1 win, 2 losses, 0 draw, 0 WOG, 0 replaced) - Survived 1 time

As of 2011 (database is OOOOOLD and hasn't been updated)

I can keep looking. What else am I gonna do tonight.

[Fredwood]

Stickied at the top of the forum:

link



Xiahou
Mafia: 3 games (1 win, 2 losses, 0 draw, 0 WOG, 0 replaced) - Survived 1 time

As of 2011 (database is OOOOOLD and hasn't been updated)

I can keep looking. What else am I gonna do tonight.

Lol at your win loss record as scum.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Lol at your win loss record as scum.

It is still like 80 percent not counting turbos, iirc.

But the list of games as scum is probably 4 times that amount by now.

[Fredwood]

Lol you posted in the wrong thread.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Lol you posted in the wrong thread.

Yep.

GH can delete postgame and unbump that old thread. I added to it but didn't change the content much except by addition.

[Askthepizzaguy]

LOL wrong thread.

Anyway, he's a bit more talkative in VII, but, only here and there.

Instead, I'm finding this, like in Pirate ship.

Vote: Visorslash
He's french.
1. He's been behaving suspiciously all game.
2. He's voted for me. I know I am not french, therefore my suspicions against him are raised even further.

Can anyone give me a compelling reason why he shouldn't be lynched?

This post in Pirate Ship III is basically Xiahou's town meta.

Says a reason or asks why it's not wrong, reasoning is super straightforward, or simply a declaration they're scum. They vote, and generally, he does not unvote. It's rare that he even moves a vote. When he does, it's because the discussion and evidence has pushed him that way. Otherwise he seems to prefer to vote whoever he thinks is scummy once a round, whether they're being voted already or not.

This, plus a few or a couple examples each game where he strings together a few sentences. Usually a couple separate topics involved, so he's only on any one topic for a sentence or two. But then he returns to one-liners, which are sporadic.

His scum meta was much denser, and involved more shading and persuasion attempts and fewer one liners. And there's a clear difference in intent. There are clear attempts to control the outcome of the game, from his vantage point of not saying a whole lot, by changing minds and making arguments to push townies in a direction.

In other words, my guess is, Xiahou!scum would have repeated such an attempt here, and said things to push the game in any direction. To persuade the rest of us where to go.

Instead, he's content to come out of the shadows like a ninja, attack someone, and slip back in.

And that's what he does as town. He's not about that controlling the discussion life.

Xiahou is a ninja assassin as town, and his scum game involves visible intent to change course.

I believe he'd change course on Zack or GH or not target them in the first place.

[Slaan]

It is still like 80 percent not counting turbos, iirc.

But the list of games as scum is probably 4 times that amount by now.

Hmmm, your overall winrate is <50%, if you have such a high scum winrate then your townwinrate must be around 40-45%... then I wonder if we read you town here why would we listen to your reads?

[Fredwood]

Hmmm, your overall winrate is <50%, if you have such a high scum winrate then your townwinrate must be around 40-45%... then I wonder if we read you town here why would we listen to your reads?

Cus people don't trust him as town and lynch him early.

[Slaan]

Cus people don't trust him as town and lynch him early.

So him still living here...

[Montmorency]

Cus people don't trust him as town and lynch him early.

Survival rate is separate from win rate.

Hmmm, your overall winrate is <50%, if you have such a high scum winrate then your townwinrate must be around 40-45%... then I wonder if we read you town here why would we listen to your reads?

It's a bit like Dragonball Z: one day your power level is over 9000, the next it's over 9 billion and the whole universe is going to die.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Hmmm, your overall winrate is <50%, if you have such a high scum winrate then your townwinrate must be around 40-45%... then I wonder if we read you town here why would we listen to your reads?

Undermining credibility, a form of passive aggression.

Mate in one, Slaan?

[Dp101]

Undermining credibility, a form of passive aggression.

Mate in one, Slaan?

I saw it as a joke, and nothing more. Don't think he was actually trying to undermine you.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I saw it as a joke, and nothing more. Don't think he was actually trying to undermine you.

DP-1 Kenobi, this time, we do it together.

[Slaan]

Undermining credibility, a form of passive aggression.

Mate in one, Slaan?

Really? How could this not be seen as a joke?

:p

[Slaan]

Good ninja post dp ^^

[Askthepizzaguy]

Good ninja post dp ^^

And pocketing Dp, btw.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Aha, a guilty one!

11 posts.

He actually unvotes and votes for someone else.

Look how he's tossing shade onto people.

Scum-Xiahou from a long time ago:

"I can certainly see the logic in voting for Sasaki- it's the only way to be certain the we've killed a mafioso between him and Kage. OTOH if Kage really was mafia, it would certainly cast Sigurd's efforts to support Kage's claims in a suspicious light... At this point, I guess we should finish it to be sure: Vote:Sasaki"

Well, I've just got to go with my gut on this one and..Vote:disco
The guy was in a big hurry to see people lynched in round one and has been laying low ever since. Everyone who makes any suggestion or accusation is lynched- meanwhile he's just sitting back quietly watching the town tear itself apart.

Well, we've definitely caught a break by having a doc and now a cop left. Something interesting though..... Looking at Seamus' PMs, I think we can now safely assume that Sasaki was a mafioso and Kage was the real detective- Sasaki's PMs now look forged by comparison.
Where to go from here? I think Csar. Despite his talk about lynching Sasaki from the very beginning, he instead voted for Kage and when it was clear Sasaki would be lynched- he dutifully voted Sasaki. With Disco cleared, I've gotta suspect him.
Vote: Csar

Hmmm, I went back and skimmed the earlier rounds and didn't see anything I'd call "engineering" until post 293- by which point (by my count at least) Sasaki already had a majority vote registered. Am I missing something prior to that?
Wouldnt that be the idea?
I'll admit that I don't have anything concrete(what is in this game?)- but to me he's seems more likely than any other to be a mafioso at the moment. If a more likely candidate is revealed I'm more than willing to change my vote- but I'll leave it stand for now since 1 vote isnt going to get him lynched anyhow.

Compare to his other town games and this game.

I see... words.

Where are his words when he's town? He's got less than half this amount.

His suspects all game have been Csargo (early game, and now), GH, and Zack. That's all.

Csargo could even be scum. Like, I don't even know if he's voted for a townie so far this game. And he's trying to influence people about this much: zero.

Let me check the other games. I don't remember him being especially wordy, but I'll look.

[Slaan]

Aha, a guilty one!

11 posts.

He actually unvotes and votes for someone else.

Look how he's tossing shade onto people.

Scum-Xiahou from a long time ago:





Compare to his other town games and this game.

I see... words.

Where are his words when he's town? He's got less than half this amount.

His suspects all game have been Csargo (early game, and now), GH, and Zack. That's all.

Csargo could even be scum. Like, I don't even know if he's voted for a townie so far this game. And he's trying to influence people about this much: zero.

Let me check the other games. I don't remember him being especially wordy, but I'll look.

This for me is the only good argument for Xiahou town imo and for me it's not strong enough.... this game was 11 years ago... and it only showcases that he gives reasons when shading townies... not how he'd go when bussing (not really wanting to kill his partners he might not want to make an actual read). The only thing in our game here where a sort of reason shines through why he is sussing someone is when he quoted a post of Csargo and said 'I dont care for this'.

Idk, I never not lynch this as I'm actually scumreading him for his hitrate... opposed to everyone else where it's more of a 'who is the least town' competition.