Chunk 3: The process, and the state of the game

Quote Originally Posted by Dp101 View Post
Logic is straightforward. He can't hide in plain sight when he's a town power role, he just kind of vanishes. He has real thoughts as town that people sometimes dismiss for being too A ---> B, and as scum he's just kinda... like this. Not confident enough to battle, more liable to undercut or smudge, passive aggressive stuff. No depth, generic posts, catchable under pressure.

I don't think he can break out of this pattern since he's been at this for years. Logic is who he is. He needs someone who knows how to read him when he's town otherwise he's mislynch bait. He can hide under the radar if you don't push him as scum. He tenses up when he's got a town pr or scum role.
So what about his play makes him not just a town PR? The vanishing from the thread your describe seems to categorise his play this game fairly well, and personally, that’s been a far larger element of his play than any slips early game. Maybe I should reread the start.
This makes sense. He's already helping pressure Logic, but wants to rule out some bad universes, like the one where he might flip town power role and his "scumminess" was because he was nervous about a town power. Prompted by my own comments about his town pr meta.
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Well, now that I'm finally live, some combination of Fred, Barto, and Reinoe. I'd also like to stay live for a little while.
I can deal with this minus Fred, his content has been intermittent but fairly genuine.
Still building a town. And when he has a town read, he argues in favor, or makes it known, especially when someone pushes on them. That's a good process.
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As a matter of fact, I don't recall that @Dp101 ever explained what he was referring to.
Oh, I was referring to his consistent early pushing of me when he's scum. I'm pretty happy calling him town now.
Yeah, think this is part of his process on me.
Quote Originally Posted by Dp101 View Post
dp, gimme a spicy take
Csargo is town.
Still trying to build a town. He sees votes/suspicion on Csargo and tries to argue that the slot is town.
Quote Originally Posted by Zack View Post
not a wolf
or town?
I don't care for the push on him either, but that's a S P I C Y leap.
Zack's interested in this read.
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Well, a S P I C Y read was requested. I personally think that being worn out is a pretty likely reason for his volume and play thus far. I never really buy the "town got all the best players I guess we've lost" explanation for lost WIM, and personally, find lack of WIM to be pretty NAI overall. If the main thing against him is lack of content, then I think the case is bad, and other than lacking in quantity, his posts have been tonally sound, so, town.
Look at that process. These are complex thoughts showing actual depth.
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2. i would have agreed with you in the past

but lissa in particular and a few others have reacted in a quite similar way as wolves

i do think it's... not bad at all for him
I understand the overall sentiment of this post, but I take issue with this portion of it. You know very well that I am not lissa, or "a few others", and personally, after playing with me for as many games as you have, I would think that you'ld know that I don't often do the expected thing. In particular, I really try and avoid getting heated as a wolf, because I feel it strays too close to the kind of emotional manipulation that makes me feel guilty, as opposed to the more fun gleefully lying about what I feel and why I feel it. Your first post is slightly accurate in that I can certainly imagine myself screwing around a little like that as a wolf, but overall I think I'd only do that at MU. After how fast I was caught as scum the one time I randed it on this website, I'm pretty sure that if it happened again, I'd be really frozen and clunky in my posting out of fear of that same kind of rapid collapse.
This is a big one. This is dp101 spitting some truth about his wolf meta, I believe.
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I waited a while to respond to that post because I wasn't quite sure how to phrase my reply to it, or if I really needed to reply given that you seemed to have come to the right conclusion, but I feel better having more of my thoughts out there in general.
Interesting additional depths to the above post.
Quote Originally Posted by Dp101 View Post
hey dp

having a nice evening?
No, I'm swamped with homework and have a large test tomorrow followed by some SAT subject tests the next day, so I'm actually kind of stressed. How about you?
Meanwhile, in Logic-land:
Quote Originally Posted by Sooh View Post
Vote count:

Pizza (2): Csargo, Manasi

Cuthillius (2): GH, Kagemusha

Zack (3): Montmorency, El Barto, Xiahou

Logic (5): Pizza, Winston Hughes, Dp101, Slaan, Choxorn

Reinoe (1): Fredwood

Kagemusha (1): Logic

El Barto (2): Zack, Reinoe

Not voting (1): Cuthillius

With 17 players there are 9 to hammer.
His emotional state is not reflective of the wolf that's about to hang, or the other wolves GH and Zack under suspicion or actual vote pressure.

Dp's emotional state is all wrong if this is him as a wolf.

He says he's stressed, but it's about real life only. And it doesn't even bleed into the game. It's got nothing to do with the game. In the game, he's smooth and cool as a cucumber now that he's not having people be rude at him.

How you can tell it's not game related, is that the game actually seems to be a respite from actual stress. The game is relaxing him.


This is even before the GH and Zack chicanery.